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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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You said that Creeps was a counterwagon to Fitz and that Ari swung the Creeps momentum. What else were you trying to say other than "Ari saved Fitz"?In post 1896, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm not saying he swung his vote to 'save fitz', nor did I suggest that."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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Yes.In post 1900, Joshz wrote:Masons, can you talk at night?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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The wagon was stagnating pretty harshly. Ari voted a different one in an attempt to get something going. You're right that he wasn't voting his top scumread, but, as people aren't robots, that isn't a scumtell.In post 1896, Aj The Epic wrote:My suggestion was that he went from a vote he called scum to a vote he wasn't sure of/didn't have conviction written to yet that had the same amount of 'pressure' with his vote."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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Did anyone else on the Creeps wagon lay the groundwork for why he was scum as opposed to just anti-town? If they did, I missed it.In post 1896, Aj The Epic wrote:And he also didn't do the groundwork to say "This is scum, not just anti-town". I don't like the idea of lynching someone for anti-town play unless that's literally the only scummy play that exists, so being content with not explaining how it was scum for me isn't enough"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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You're missing the point I'm making; read my response again, please. You're interpreting this post as serious when it wasn't.In post 1896, Aj The Epic wrote:"Bullshit narrative" where Ari suddenly goes from uptight and having his own scumteam to convinced Fitz is scum and loose about the lynch? He more or less (actually, he DOES) compromise on a Fitz lynch because a 'no lynch would be bad', and keeps his scumteam as Gamma/Creeps/TwoFace. So no, the conclusion wasn't drawn that TwoFace was scum from that, Ari already believed that. What I'm looking at is before/after hammer vote and I DID notice the difference there. That's why it pinged me in the first place."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I would. Confidence wouldn't be in place to the same degree, but yes, I would.In post 1896, Aj The Epic wrote:Would you call Ari town and make this case if you didn't know his meta."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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LUV can't copy my reads, he can only paraphrase them which can lose meaning/take away from what I'm saying. If there's problems with my reasoning, then only LUV can point them out. If there are stronger portions of my reasoning, then only LUV can point them out. I can't respond to people's concerns around my reasoning if I don't know them, which I wouldn't if I only gave reads in the Mason thread.In post 1897, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:It doesn't it just makes non masons giving reads easier to tell if there fake or real I don't see a downside to masons keeping their reasons for themselves when they can give all the reads in the world in the mason thread
Town is stronger when everyone is contributing, and so holding my reads instead of talking about them in the open makes us weaker. If you are worried about people following my reasoning instead of forming their own, challenge them on it. If you're worried about people not contributing because they think they can coast by on my contributions, challenge them on it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This AJ push is also similarly bad; he's pushing Sonia (formerly Creeps, the counterwagon to Fitz) because she wasn't okay with the Hiraki wagon at first and then hammered it. Willingness to hammer that wagon shouldn't be a scumtell when AJ was the main alternative to it.In post 1783, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: Sonia
Really it's disappointing, but you've been able to provide no decent answers and instead insisted on going for lynch bait."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I share the same thoughts on the case as well so I'll unvote for now.In post 1862, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:Disagree with the 2nd part of the 2nd post
Agree with the first
And I'll take your word for the first post
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I disagree. I think it's perfectly fine to scum read him for that but I'm in agreement that it shouldn't immediately discredit what you pointed out. I'm rarely a fan of policy lynches and Creeps play did not call for one.In post 1870, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't think that Ari advocating a PL on Creeps is scummy. Gamma saying that Creeps should be PLed for doubting the mason claim was questionable to me (because Creeps wasn't actively pushing the masons, he just said that he didn't trust us yet AND it's not like both of us were going to be alive in LyLo so that shouldn't be a significant worry of Gamma's). Aristo not mentioning why he thought Creeps should just be PLed shouldn't be a dig against Aristo (why would it be?), especially when his other posts in context demonstrate that his attitude towards Creeps has been "his posts suck, let's lynch him" more than "I think Creeps should be policy lynched in order to protect the game!".In post 1673, Aj The Epic wrote:Exchange goes together. Gamma advocates the PL on Creeps, Ari shows interest and in fact subsequently votes for creeps on the admitted PL. Both bad by Gamma and Creeps. Major issue is there's two posts between this and his fitz vote. First, one complaining about Creeps posting a huge wall for nothing more than a line response. The second correcting a grammatical mistake in his post brought up by another player.
Grammar wasn't my point. I also don't see how in the context people could say he meant everyone, rather than me.In post 1877, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You is an acceptable alternative for "y'all" for areas not in the Regional South. Alternatives are "you guys and you people" which are awkward/too informal for many situations; I have no idea how denying grammar rules became a part of your case on Aristo but it's certainly a first for me.In post 1828, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
That's like saying tweeting my political opinions to my followers on Twitter is the same as telling you my political opnions in real life.In post 1826, Aristophanes wrote:
I mean, it is...In post 1825, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I told you is the same as I told y'all or everyone. Okay
See 1832 for my main point. You can also adamantly state you want something without being aggressive in my opinion.-
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I've done plenty to read me on. I'm going to be limited for the next couple of days since I declared v/la earlier. I've tried to look over the thread and based on day 1 I'm thinking maybe I was wrong on creeps but idk.
Ari is who I want to lynch. I'd lynch AJ cause nothing about his attitude reads town.-
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Nacho, you know me better than I know myself!
Sonia, you're wrong. Masons should give reads and reasons as much as anyone should.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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I don't remember you being so hell bent on losing games.
VOTE: Gamma
I think I made it clear that at the very least today should be the groundwork to actually pick out someone who's scum and if you have to, lynch me D4. You die tonight so why do something that the town seems incredibly capable of doing?-
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VOTE COUNT 3.02
Aj The Epic (2): Joshz, Nachomamma8
Gamma Emerald (2): xSoniaNevermindx, Aj The Epic
No Vote (5): Vedith, Gamma Emerald, Aristophanes, TwoFace, Lil Uzi Vert
With 9 players living, 5 votes are required to lynch.
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(expired on 2016-12-31 18:30:00)
NOTES
Prodding Vedith
TwoFace V/LA until 25 December
Gamma Emerald V/LA until 25 December-
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Case on gamma pleaseIn post 1919, Aj The Epic wrote:I don't remember you being so hell bent on losing games.
VOTE: Gamma
I think I made it clear that at the very least today should be the groundwork to actually pick out someone who's scum and if you have to, lynch me D4. You die tonight so why do something that the town seems incredibly capable of doing?-
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I think we've talked about 'nothing pro-town' is a short jump to scum, but not bridged.In post 483, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps has done nothing protown as I see it. I can get with this.
VOTE: Creeps20In post 530, Gamma Emerald wrote:My reasons for voting Creeps are that if he is scum he is using poor play as a smokescreen, and if he is town he is giving power to scum, especially by distrusting the confirmed masons.In post 573, Gamma Emerald wrote:It's not just policy: I believe Creeps has a chance of flipping scumIn post 576, Gamma Emerald wrote:OK
I'd prefer if you'd stop discrediting it by calling it a policy lynch though.
It's not a PL, totally legit. But you really should stop acknowledging the fact it's a PL. What an odd thing to do. He again was voting Fitz first.In post 578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Fitz or Hiraki.In post 577, TwoFace wrote:who else besides creep would you lynch today and why gamma?
p.edit - but that's what it is. voting a person for playing poorly is what policy lynches were invented for
I understand it's a policy lynch, but the way you talk about feels like discrediting.
This is L-2 with 24+ hours left. There's motivation to move the game, but this isn't the town-driven way to do that.In post 720, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
In post 838, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait, Eric was still an option for fitz?
VOTE: Havingfitz
Eric's conftown buddy....ayy. That's actually disgusting.
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