Open 496: Ryuk is the protagonist

[Titus]

Elyse, I wasn't in the game during your push on Paschendale. I couldn't call you out on it.

Now, you are backtracking. Self preservation is a reason to bargain.

Anyone can try to backtrack on a slip. A slip is a subconscious message of alignment. I am done posting on this thread for now. I won't let you spam the town to defeat. 1717 speaks for itself.

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Titus-2-Elyse, Tajun
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Not Voting: Prophylaxis

[Elyse]

1. I know. You didn't say anything when you replaced in or yesterday or the day before.
2. YOU DONT BARGAIN IN MAFIA IF YOU ARENT WILLING TO DIE. PERIOD.
3. I go from being a herpaderp lurker you're trying to engage to someone who's spamming the thread? You can't have it both ways.

[Titus]

1. Yeah, I wasn't there. I would have said your bargaining was scummy if I was in the game at the time.
2. Sorry. Bargainng occurs even in players who want to avoid death.
3. Someone can stop lurking and start spamming.

[Prophylaxis]

This quote war is unproductive - you're not going to convince the other that they're scum, so.. there's no point.

Expect me to sink some time into this game tomorrow.

[Titus]

The goal to me was to convince Tajun that Elyse was scum. Obviously I am not getting a confession out of Elyse.

[Elyse]

This quote war is unproductive - you're not going to convince the other that they're scum, so.. there's no point.

Expect me to sink some time into this game tomorrow.

That's what I'm saying!

[Tajun]

No. That was a slip.

I direct my posts to particular players all the time. Go on. Flail more. You slipped.

You're calling that a slip? I'm having a hard time believing Prophylaxis hasn't hammered you yet, if that is the best you can do.

[Tajun]

Town doesn't need self-preservation and therefore no need to bargain.

This is one of my mafia pet peeves. Town

does

need self preservation, every time a townie gets lynched, myself included, it hurts the town. They just need to kill scum more. Town needs to be willing to die, if it helps their cause, but they shouldn't be inviting it. And bargaining is one of the true blue town traits, although it is always possible Elyse knows that as well and was faking it. Calling it a scum survival mechanism is just so wrong it hurts.

[Titus]

Tajun, I'll disagree with this. Bargaining is circumstance relevant. When you're getting everything you want, why bargain? Elyse was getting a Paschendale lynch, why the hell did she feel the need to bargain at all?

[Titus]

No. That was a slip.

I direct my posts to particular players all the time. Go on. Flail more. You slipped.

You're calling that a slip? I'm having a hard time believing Prophylaxis hasn't hammered you yet, if that is the best you can do.

You have said Elyse has played over 30 games. Having a "typo" that reveals I am town IS a slip from someone that experienced. You're not getting anything better because you are suffering from confirmation bias.

[Elyse]

How does experience have anything to do with typos???

Try harder.

[Titus]

No. Elyse has an explanation for her slip entirely. It wasn't a typo. You'd not going to get a worse slip than what Elyse did from someone as experienced. It just won't happen.

You're telling me to try harder. :@

[Prophylaxis]

This game is like "I'll dedicate some time to it tomorrow, reread the game n' such" and then I don't do it.

When I look at this game, my brain says to just lynch Titus and spare ourselves of the void of this game which started in April and continued all the way to the summer.

But my gut says put time and effort into trying to swing the hammer onto Elyse.

So... yeah. I'll say to myself that I'll try to reread this tomorrow, but... no guarantees.

[Elyse]

Your brain is right.

[Titus]

No. Your gut is right. We have a lot of time. You should be thorough. Look at the AH interactions you wanted to do. You will see, Elyse is scum.

[Tajun]

Tajun, I'll disagree with this. Bargaining is circumstance relevant. When you're getting everything you want, why bargain? Elyse was getting a Paschendale lynch, why the hell did she feel the need to bargain at all?

So... You are arguing that she didn't want an MC, due to its immense benefits to town and her being scum, and that she was getting a Pasch lynch regardless, but she decided to bargain her way down from getting everything she wanted to just some of it? What is her motive?

[Titus]

I'm arguing that Elyse saw massclaim as inevitable. Rather than look scummy by arguing against it for so long, bargain away to have it done the next day. She then gets a mislynch and time to discuss with Anti-Hero what their strategy will be. Given that Elyse had just pushed forth a mislynch (Paschendale), Anti-Hero is the one who gambits a PR. He distances himself from Elyse by never mentioning her.

Where is the risk of dying y'all are talking about in this bargain?

[Elyse]

I WAS WILLING TO BE LYNCHED TO PREVENT MASSCLAIM. HELLO.

[Titus]

I don't see that in your ISO at all. You were bargaining to stall the inevitable.

[Tajun]

Look harder.

[Elyse]

Here you go!!!! Now what are you going to conjure up?

I'VE EXPLAINED WHY MASSCLAIM IS BAD LIKE TWENTY TIMES.

SCUM ARE DOWN ONE AND WE ARE DOWN ONE VT.

NO PRs ARE OUTED. GIVING THEM AT LEAST ONE MORE NIGHT TO DO STUFF WILL BE SO MUCH MORE HELPFUL THAN OUTING THEM ALL NOW TO GIVE A PLAYER WHO I DON'T TRUST THE ABILITY TO SWAY THE TOWN TO LYNCH SOMEONE.

If me getting lynched stalls massclaim at least a day, then fine. But RBD is either scum, blind, or retarded because I've said these things over and over again.

I refuse to claim and I won't let RBD's brash nature get her what she wants when it hurts the town.

If lynching me prevents massclaim then I'm all for it.

[Titus]

I didn't claim really recently.

Bacde's vote is dumb since he wants you lynched.

And JS has done nothing all game and suddenly comes in demanding massclaim.

WHY CAN'T WE DO IT TOMORROW AND GIVE PRs ONE MORE DAY?

I've given my reasons as to why it shouldn't happen and I'm sticking to them.

Pasch dies today.

Massclaim tomorrow.

Everyone wins.

I have a proposition for you, RBD.

I'll massclaim if Pasch is lynched.

Elyse, you were in no danger of being lynched. That's why I didn't see you as willing to die for it. Rather the Paschendale wagon was stalling. You flipped and said massclaim is ok if we lynch Paschendale.

[Elyse]

Yes I was! Pasch and RBD were breathing down my neck. You weren't even there.

[Titus]

No. You had one vote on you. Objectively you were in no danger. You saw danger because you were scum. You bargaigned to get rid of a critic. If Paschendale was here, town might have won right now.

[Elyse]

So you think I said I was willing to die to prevent massclaim to "get rid of a critic"?

Wait nvm you're scum and me trying to convince you is pointless. Bye.