Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside

Who did you think before the night came was scum?

I thought Elvis was scum before night came.

why didn't you not say anything about said person being scum at that time

I did say it.

[farside22]

@Farside

Who did you think before the night came was scum?

I thought Elvis was scum before night came.

why didn't you not say anything about said person being scum at that time

I did say it.

I meant out of the people imprinted.

[elvis_knits]

REPOSTING YET AGAIN PER THE SCUMZOR'S REQUEST:

Buttonmen, you have posted twice since this and not explained why you flipped your stances on me and SC.

Please explain.

Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?

I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.

Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.

[xRECKONERx]

LYNCH KOC. NO IMPRINTS. THANK YOU.

[farside22]

For me, the value in lynching buttonman has just gotten significantly higher, because I don't like his flavour and the fact he didn't vig despite saying he would

You think I'm scummy because of how I said I didn't shoot? Also I said i would vig back when it was two imprints (see my above post for explination) and I quite clearly that Elvis was my top scum choice, why would I shoot anyone other then my possible scum choice?

I'm trying to figure out why you didn't shoot and who you thought was scum if you thought someone else was going to kill. Also if you feel that you are going to shoot town then why think about shooting anyone at all. I read this as a worse case but it strikes me as scummy thought too.

7-3 -> NK from scum + Misvig -> 5-3 -> Mislynch + NK -> 3-3 = Town loses

If Scum got a NK and I misvigged it was LyLo with 3 suspects. As such due to the 3 imprints I wasn't willing to risk taking the shot as my scum read on Elvis is about 65-75%.

With 2 imprints, if there's a NK I didn't do I knew who was scum, three removed that certainty. Without that certainty risking putting it at Lylo wasn't something I was comfortable with.

These things make no sense. IE: willing to kill with only 2 imprints not 3. Doesn't say who he thinks is scum but comments about a misvig in his analysis.

in short so far happy with my vote

Still waiting on button to comment on my points here that he seems to miss.

This seems to be the post that buttonman wants to ignore or not answer properly so I'm posting again as a reference since he missed it completely with his answsers

[elvis_knits]

LYNCH KOC. NO IMPRINTS. THANK YOU.

You know, it's been a long time and he hasn't done ANYTHING in this game. KOC would be a good lynch too. But I just loathe buttonmen and thirst for his blood. And if he's scum with a vig imprint, I really don't want him alive, even if KOC is scum too.

[farside22]

LYNCH KOC. NO IMPRINTS. THANK YOU.

You know, it's been a long time and he hasn't done ANYTHING in this game. KOC would be a good lynch too. But I just loathe buttonmen and thirst for his blood. And if he's scum with a vig imprint, I really don't want him alive, even if KOC is scum too.

I keep thinking of this too. I'm more concerned if KOC flipped town over scum as the numbers for scum increase meaning shooting someone is more beneficial for scum.
Even though there is a valid case and reason for a KOC lynch and I know 2 players said they didn't see a KOC case 1 being buttonman but idk.............

Reck why do you perfer KOC over buttonman? What is your view on Buttonman?

[xRECKONERx]

Buttonman can be dealt with later. If there's a kill tonight, we lynch him, it's that simple.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #45=-

Hawaii (4) - Virginia, Kansas, Alaska, Montana
Ohio (3) - Colorado, Georgia, Iowa
Kansas (1) - Florida

Not Voting (2) - Hawaii, Ohio

6 to lynch.

-=Imprint Count #45=-

Kansas (3) - Alaska, Virginia, Florida
Florida (2) - Florida, Hawaii
Hawaii (2) - Florida, Hawaii
Alaska (1) - Virginia
Virginia (1) - Virginia
Georgia (0)
Colorado (0)
Iowa (0)
Montana (0)
Ohio (0)

6 to imprint.

ALASKA = SerialClergyman
COLORADO = CrashTextDummie
FLORIDA = Limerickx
GEORGIA = Socrates
HAWAII = TheButtonmen
IOWA = xRECKONERx
KANSAS = farside22
MONTANA = Pug89
OHIO = Knight of Cydonia
VIRGINIA = elvis_knits

[TheButtonmen]

So Recks isn't making any sense what soever.

Why does he want KoC slot lynched, why does he want no imprint?

If he thinks I'm scum why would he be trying to get KoC lynched, I could kill tonight if I'm scum, where as there is no way KoC can kill tonight. What reason is there for not imprinting, Lim already got the Vig power if he's scum and Recks is sure Farside is town so what has changed?

[TheButtonmen]

REPOSTING YET AGAIN PER THE SCUMZOR'S REQUEST:

Buttonmen, you have posted twice since this and not explained why you flipped your stances on me and SC.

Please explain.

Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?

I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.

Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.

Your question is flawed there was no flip in stance towards you and SC.

[Socrates]

My computer imploded. V/LA until further notice.

[xRECKONERx]

Where did I say you were scum, Buttonman? I just said you can be dealt with later, and if there IS a NK, then you are the autolynch.

[Socrates]

I found a computer I can use for a bit, but all I have to say is this:

I give up!

unvote, Vote:Buttonman

This day needs to end.

[iamausername]

-=CrashTextDummie, Limerickx, Knight of Cydonia and SerialClergyman have been prodded=-

[SerialClergyman]

Hello, responding.

I've been busy and low activity around but even then 72 hours is pretty lame, sorry kids.

Part of my frustration with this game is feeling behind the 8 ball, I'm not confident in many of my theories at the moment.

I wonder why (myself included) we all lost our suspicion of Reck that was almost universal yesterday.

I also wonder why buttonman has gone from so town as to be imprinted to a solid lynch candidate.

[Limerickx]

Sorry guys, its busy season (any other public accounts out there? :eyeroll)

Responding to a few things:
Yes, looks like Farside doesn't think much about my argument against her, whatever, not worth rehashing.

I'll go through the posts since my last and see what to respond to.

questions to buttonman:

If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?

You think Button is scum, even though he didn't shoot anyone. Why would be be any different?

Limerickx, do you really think that your vote is doing ANY good where it is right now?

What 'good' would you like my vote to be doing? I'm not sold on Button=scum argument, so I don't know what you're looking for. I'm voting to lynch who I think is scum, and imprinting everyone who was imprinted last night. You might ask why I'm voting to imprint Farside as well, and its because I think that if I AM right about Farside, then she prob got a NK last night, and I'm not concerned about any extra talents she might be imprinted with tonight. I still see no reason to not imprint the same people tonight as last night.

Yikes, not that much to respond to. I do like SCs comment right before mine.

[TheButtonmen]

I also wonder why buttonman has gone from so town as to be imprinted to a solid lynch candidate.

A) Weird question considiring your voting me, B)I didn't really, Farside is voting me because I mentioned vigging yesterday and am suspcious of her, Elvis is just piggy backing on Farsides vote, no idea why you are and Socrate is voting me to end the day.

[Pug89]

Shooting is a forminvestigating, you start the next day with their aligment known.Also what about me saying I would doc SC do you find strange?

True, but if you are wrong the town looses a player and scum are closer to winning the game. Also, only one person makes the decision the rest of the town gets no say in who is targeted. I could also see that comment as justification for any NK you did use.

About SC: It seems strange since you have been voting him most of the game. Framing you also seems highly unlikely given the small number of possibilities besides you.

[farside22]

You think Button is scum, even though he didn't shoot anyone. Why would be be any different?

I already answered this.

Either I doc protected the right person or he thought about the fact he claimed boldly about vigging people and doing so after many people said it's bad would look scummy.
Not a mind reader but that's my view on it.

A) Weird question considiring your voting me, B)I didn't really, Farside is voting me because I mentioned vigging yesterday and am suspcious of her, Elvis is just piggy backing on Farsides vote, no idea why you are and Socrate is voting me to end the day.

Oh really lets see who talked about be suspicious of who first shall we?
Seriously as soon as you said vigging a player is investigating you I was suspicious of you and started questioning your motives and voted for you as soon as you said you got vig.

SC wrote:

I wonder why (myself included) we all lost our suspicion of Reck that was almost universal yesterday.

I haven't lost suspicion of him. I still think reck/koc/buttonman with maybe pug as one of the 3 at scum left in this game at this point. Lim is crawling up my suspect list. I think this lynch of buttonman gives me information on these people and how they responded at the case.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside: Me getting the Vig imprint is a scum tell? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.

@Pug: The likelyhood of it happening doesn't really matter, the best move if I got doc was to protect SC by far as protecting anyone else doesn't carry the benifit where as protecting SC elminates that risk no matter how small you feel it is.

[farside22]

@Farside: Me getting the Vig imprint is a scum tell? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.
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Tell you what, when you finally answer the question I asked 4 times and stop avoiding it I will answer this.
Till then.

[elvis_knits]

Hey, buttonmen, you're L-1.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside: Me getting the Vig imprint is a scum tell? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.
.

Tell you what, when you finally answer the question I asked 4 times and stop avoiding it I will answer this.
Till then.

The post you keep quoting has my answer in it, what about it don't you understand.

[TheButtonmen]

Hey, buttonmen, you're L-1.

Your point being? It's nice to see you scum all pushing for it so hard though, good team work!