Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Celestial Coordinates]

Could you break down the thought process behind this. I’m interested from an epistemological standpoint.

I don't have an easy way to break this down in a manner that actually raises rather than hurts towns chances of winning.

[Wisdom]

nacho what are your thoughts on wisdom as the second baton pass kill?

would be happy if it happened, but if I had infinite power my preference would be to baton pass kill someone else and lynch wisdom

you dont actually want that
you just want to see me under heat

i want you to be town.
but, failing that, i want the satisfaction of killing you.

is that so bad?

nah i want the same from you always

[Sakura Hana]

So if we assume
1. RC is town (Nancy makes reading the slot easier I heard) = p
2. If RC is town and RC says shoshin is scum, then Shoshin is scum. (Apparently he was never wrong on Shoshin before!) = p*q -> r
3. RC says Shoshin is scum (Believe me this is a true statement) = q

Then we can prove that Shoshin is scum (r)!

1. p Given
2. p*q -> r Given
3. q Given
4. p * q Conjunction
5. r 2, 4, Modus Ponens

Simple logic really

Oh that?, I dont get what's the issue either, I TR CC, and... that's it? I dont think I said shoshin had to be scum because of it, im not gonna be held by paranoia on RC or Nancy, if you want to be held up by paranoia that's on you.

[Nachomamma8]

s_s and yukzuk are as well?

why are you scumreading these two?
if you've hashed it out already, throw me a bone and give me some links

[Celestial Coordinates]

Wisdom is in my PoE, is not the first person I would lynch today in general, but I think that his flip tells me a lot about the game regardless especially if I have to give my final set of reads with only these two flips.

[Oh]

Oh that?, I dont get what's the issue either, I TR CC, and... that's it? I dont think I said shoshin had to be scum because of it, im not gonna be held by paranoia on RC or Nancy, if you want to be held up by paranoia that's on you.

I don't know how to explain in more clear terms than I already have. I don't understand how you still manage to misinterpret my post.

Whatever. I give up.

[Wisdom]

s_s for fluffy nothingness and yukzuk for scummy questions and stances
also poe

[Celestial Coordinates]

Oh that?, I dont get what's the issue either, I TR CC, and... that's it? I dont think I said shoshin had to be scum because of it, im not gonna be held by paranoia on RC or Nancy, if you want to be held up by paranoia that's on you.

I don't know how to explain in more clear terms than I already have. I don't understand how you still manage to misinterpret my post.

Whatever. I give up.

The fact that you want me dead so you don't have to read me isn't a concern for every player in the game in the same way it is for you.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh that?, I dont get what's the issue either, I TR CC, and... that's it? I dont think I said shoshin had to be scum because of it, im not gonna be held by paranoia on RC or Nancy, if you want to be held up by paranoia that's on you.

I don't know how to explain in more clear terms than I already have. I don't understand how you still manage to misinterpret my post.

Whatever. I give up.

Maybe you're misunderstanding mine? idk.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Another way of phrasing: Wisdom is the single most valuable VT flip in the game and also has some scum equity.

Maybe you're misunderstanding mine? idk.

No, you just don't see the logic that they're using as valid because it's not valid. Keep being you please.

[Something_Smart]

s_s for fluffy nothingness

Why do you think that is scum indicative? Do you think I post more substantial content as town but am unable or unwilling to fake that as scum?

[Oh]

FTR I'm town reading CC and I was town reading CC at the time of that post.

[Wisdom]

Another way of phrasing: Wisdom is the single most valuable VT flip in the game and also has some scum equity.

another way of phrasing is rc always wants to lynch me because he can't read me and theres a non zero possibility i could be scum

[Oh]

The fact that you want me dead so you don't have to read me isn't a concern for every player in the game in the same way it is for you.

...

I don't want you dead.
I'm town reading you. I've been town reading you for a while now.

I support you getting the baton first.

Can I just point out the irony of me calling out another player for taking my post out of context resulting in yet one more player taking my post out of context?

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Celestial

I’m ready for this to go to lynching phase. I will periodically check until that phase has been reached. Peace

[Celestial Coordinates]

Another way of phrasing: Wisdom is the single most valuable VT flip in the game and also has some scum equity.

another way of phrasing is rc always wants to lynch me because he can't read me and theres a non zero possibility i could be scum

This is not the reason

at all

in this case, but I don't deny that I struggle to read you and wouldn't be opposed to killing you in general purely on that basis if I had a good PoE.

[Oversoul]

FTR I'm town reading CC and I was town reading CC at the time of that post.

At the time of what post

[Oh]

Oh that?, I dont get what's the issue either, I TR CC, and... that's it? I dont think I said shoshin had to be scum because of it, im not gonna be held by paranoia on RC or Nancy, if you want to be held up by paranoia that's on you.

I don't know how to explain in more clear terms than I already have. I don't understand how you still manage to misinterpret my post.

Whatever. I give up.

Maybe you're misunderstanding mine? idk.

Alright. I think you think that I'm not townreading CC and that you think I'm saying other players should be hesitant to townread them, is that correct?

[Wisdom]

its not lynching phase, remember? locked thread until the two deaths @oversoul

[Oversoul]

its not lynching phase, remember? locked thread until the two deaths @oversoul

I do and I think I have enough townreads that I can make a good baton pass choice.

[Wisdom]

but we're doing the baton lynches thing so you dont actually make a baton pass choice

[Celestial Coordinates]

Oh tehre's a ceph scumgame to read beautiful

[Celestial Coordinates]

nevermind this meta is not at all useful

[Oversoul]

but we're doing the baton lynches thing so you dont actually make a baton pass choice

Oh we are doing that dumb thing? I don’t think it really matters personally. If we do the baton Lynch agreement then my townreads don’t matter and people like Cici, Nacho, and GDGW are going to dictate the whole thing and I don’t really need to play anymore. I made myself obvtown so there’s really no need for me to check back in until we get to third Lynch anyway.

[Wisdom]

i mean we're still deciding the second scum so you can input your opinion