Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[FakeGod]

Telltale, replace your vote.

How sure are you in your BBT scumread?

[Bert]

Vote Count 1.11

BlueBloodedToffee(5)

– Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

Csareo(4)

–The Rufflig, Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, massive

JaggedAppliance(1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting(3)

– JaggedAppliance, FakeGod, TellTaleHeart

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

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[FakeGod]

huh

Jagged has no scumreads. This is concerning, coupled with the fact that GreyICE's ISO is near worthless.

[FakeGod]

As the mod says,

DO NOT SCREENSHOT ANYTHING.

[FakeGod]

I'm inclined to read Wake as town here, and I'm willing to dismiss his theory as over-enthusiasm, rather than malicious.

Pretty sure Rufflig is town.

[FakeGod]

I would be down for lynching Boon.

[massive]

I don't really know.

I'm just think massive is scum.

Reasons being?

He's on the Csareo wagon.

Is everyone on the Csareo wagon scum? In that case, since there's five of us, you better lynch right or you lose right here.

And I think his questioning of you a while back was incredibly stilted and awkward, especially the one about "who's the scum on the other wagon." It just seemed pretty bizarre and not for any purpose other than to fill up space.

They both said scum were on their respective wagons. Here, I'll even make it easy for you and quote them.

Nah, I don't think I am. I'm pretty sure scum are on my wagon.

But let's get back to the suspicious stuff. Something is really off about this wagon. The people defending BBT have been committing every scum slip in the book (excluding ruffling).

Not curious who the scum might be on their wagons? I guess it is just filling up space, never mind that it was practically the only thing that got them both to give reads on the wagons.

I was also suspicious of him earlier for being on the periphery of the discussion. Interestingly enough, he reframed this as "lurking," which I never accused him of.

Nope, you're right. I misremembered, and it was Wake88 who was concerned with my "inactivity" (702). I guess you are just hopping on it as something suspicious now?

[FakeGod]

I'm pretty sure Csar and BBT are both town.

I'm shakier on BBT, but TTH can sort him out in the night.

[FakeGod]

JA and Anatole cannot be scum together.

[FakeGod]

Number of people mentioning that they've never heard of Neighbors before points to an all-Town Neighborhood.

[FakeGod]

I'd lynch Doogal as well.

[FakeGod]

I change my mind.

I don't want to lynch Green Canyon today.

[FakeGod]

I like Anatole's ISO.

[The Rufflig]

Well, that pretty much kills the chance of a Csareo lynch for today.

UNVOTE: Csareo

I'm willing to vote Doogal121 or Jagged Appliance. I'm town reading Green Crayons. I'm luke warm on Boonskiies.

[FakeGod]

Nullish on Flubber

Lynch on him is acceptable.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would be down for lynching Boon.

Yep.

I'd lynch Doogal as well.

Agreed.

Nullish on Flubber

Lynch on him is acceptable.

Indeed!

Number of people mentioning that they've never heard of Neighbors before points to an all-Town Neighborhood.

I agree, but here's the question I have been asking myself; why didn't the Mod just make us Masons? An all-town neighbourhood is basically the same thing but our alignments are not confirmed.

Unless it was purely to create this kind of dynamic. I just can't make sense of it.

[Green Crayons]

@massive:

Did you ever state why you suspected Boon, back when you were looking around to see if anyone would join you on a push? If yes, please link. If no, please provide your case.

Is Boon the only player from the BBT wagon that you suspect? If not, who else and why (small summaries are fine by me for the time being).

[Green Crayons]

Thinking it over this morning, the push for a screenshot of an out of thread webpage looks hella bad.

[Green Crayons]

JA and Anatole cannot be scum together.

Credited.

What are you thoughts on Anatole (might be useful to ISO Anatole in conjunction with Flubber, since they are the two who have spoken most about Anatole's play)?

[Green Crayons]

@Doogal:

(1) You promised an "overview" of your thoughts once you caught up back in Post 1079. That never happened, even though you have posted substantive things since that time. I am interested in your thoughts on the game more generally (not just BBT and Csareo), including what other players have your attention, and why. I'll leave to your preference for how broad/deep you want to get with your thoughts.


(2) In reference to you unvoting BBT in Post 535 (by way of a vote on GreyICE), and revoting BBT in Post 583, you have said:

3B. I felt I couldn't leave my vote on BBT for fear of Boonskies troll hammer coming in and we still had plenty of time (and I wanted to see if a counter wagon appeared) so I thought putting my vote on Greyice would help provide pressure on him, hopefully to get him to answer why he threw down some BS and then disappeared.

It's the latter. I'm going off memory partly here because the VC's weren't regular at this time of the game. I believe BBT was at L-2 when I pulled my vote off because I was worried about troll hammering. This was on 9/11. I put my vote back on him 9/17 because I was no longer worried about troll hammering and he was just acting completely anti town. Right after that is when the BBT jumped on Csareo(bringing to L-4 I believe) and the votes started racking up on the counter wagon.

A major component of you removing your BBT vote, and then being comfortable with revoting BBT 50 some odd posts later, is your concern about Boon's hammer. But Boon had already voted BBT in Post 467. Thoughts?


(3) In faulting BBT for pursuing a lurker (scrambles, I believe), you said:

BBT however is now pushing on a lurker when we have plenty of scuminess to deal with.

When I asked you to clarify about who were these other scum candidates that BBT could have gone after (Post 916), you said:

4. The scumminess was BBT sheeping Greyice and Greyice throwing down a BS LaL arguement. We also had the whole AK vs Wake thing to go through which I felt was Town vs Town but I thought we might be able to analyze the other participants to see if any thing scummy ended up coming out of it.

So, if I'm to understand you correctly, you thought BBT was scummy for pursuing a lurker rather than other players who were suspicious, but those other suspicious players were (1) BBT himself, and then (2) Anatole and Wake, who had been having an internet screaming fight, but which you recognize looks like a town v. town situation.

Do I have that correct?

[Green Crayons]

Doogal, as a follow up to question (2) with respect to your revote of BBT: what was it about BBT's anti-town play that you found to be alignment indicative. I understand "anti-town" and "scummy" to be two different things.

[Green Crayons]

Oh, as a head's up

to the mods

and the thread more generally: I'm going camping Saturday, coming back Sunday. Unclear what my phone's internet access will be. So I'll be V/LA around the deadline.

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[massive]

@massive:

Did you ever state why you suspected Boon, back when you were looking around to see if anyone would join you on a push? If yes, please link. If no, please provide your case.

No, but will endeavor to post all my thoughts this morning. You can start with 493 and 705. I'll post up my thoughts on other people on the wagon too. Please hold as I have concalls scheduled every 2 hours this morning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, I think I want to lynch Flubber the most.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubber