Conception | Malediction Vacuum

[ActionDan]

I'll claim all that in 2 hours

[Feysal]

Well, the bus has arrived. I did my best to divert town attention to Flavor Leaf - I think he is Benediction, but this game has been so crazy, I don't know any more.

I've been going over multiple scenarios in my head, and the only one that gives me any hope is me killing Hugir. You can tell town about our investigation of Flavor Leaf, and hope that Hugir takes him out.

Most other scenarios lead to a Mexican standoff and a draw. I'd take that over losing to Benediction, but I'd rather play to win and take my chances losing to town.

[ActionDan]

I think it's better to lie that it's Hugir and you shoot flavor yourself maybe? Or enchant?

[ActionDan]

*Dons fake twirly mustache and long sideways cigarette holder; takes puff*

The evil voice

So you've caught me, does it feel good that you had to use a cop to do it, damn you!

Well I'm not going out alone. I'm going to drop some info.

Hugir is green.

Definitively green.

Malediction and Benediction are symmetrical in nature of factional abilities; Those include a conditional factional kill and a factional conditional publishing cop. They are both rather simple. Our kills only work on town not on each other. Our cop is published only if we get a negative result, if positive it is privately relayed to us. Our team used it N1 on Keeper opted not to use it N2 and used it N3 on Hugir (who at that point was obviously green to me anyway).

2ndly my role is not voyeur at all. I have no idea who or who did not target me. I am a deflector, and the clearly analogous green scum role is redirector.

I dislike the fact that I feel obligated to screw over the other scumteam in this manner but I'm pretty much forced to by the setup. You're all welcome to take my words with a grain of salt but if you read the thread you'll see they're true (as were rauth's posts)

Good luck to all!

*shoots self*

VOTE: ActionDan

[ActionDan]

this is what I typed out so far

[ActionDan]

Work starts soon so please let me know if you're ok with this

[Feysal]

The scenario I'm going for is one where Furtive, Enchant, Keeper and me are alive tomorrow. I'll hope that Enchant investigates Hugir or Flavor Leaf, which will be useless. If Flavor Leaf is Benediction and survives, the result is probably a draw.

[ActionDan]

Hugir might have investigated FL too. I think it's more likely Hugir is scum.

Should I say nothing at all then?

[ActionDan]

The thing is there's no way red scum team has two redirectors, so enchant won't cop Hugir anyway.

[ActionDan]

5 mins till work!

[Feysal]

Consider this: even if we did manage to convince town of Hugir, that would leave Flavor Leaf alive for another night, investigate me, and we would have that Mexican standoff. No one would win.

I do like your post. If only I could be certain it actually is Hugir. But if it is not, Hugir will probably try to take out Keeper or Flavor Leaf anyway, so... maybe it'll be fine.

[Feysal]

Go for if. If it backfires, it backfires. No way to know unless we try.

[ActionDan]

I'm posting then! sorry if it hurts us :C

[Feysal]

I'm not going to mind. Win or lose, either way this has been an interesting game.

[Feysal]

Okay, this just keeps getting crazier. I can think of only one way that Flavor Leaf would have escaped investigation, and that is if Hugir redirected me to IceDragon. How would that even be possible?

I expect some serious rules lawyering after this game is done.

[Feysal]

Going over the options, if Hugir knows we're partners, there is no scenario where we can win. It is either a draw or town win.

If Hugir does not know yet, they probably will tomorrow. And again, I simply don't have the ability to kill Hugir, because they can hijack my kill.

My only option now is to not kill. It will either lead to town victory, a draw, or a very unlikely victory for me.

[ActionDan]

If they kill enchant that brings it to 2-1-1. I think you have to play is if Hugir doesn't know, though they should know.

Theoretically town is kingmaker. Hugir might also have lied about being able to redirect person A to A. Might ask the mod that.

I dunno if there's a vote to draw or something sounds like best ending for all

[Feysal]

Actually, thinking more on it, there is no possibility for draw, because Hugir is always safe from me if they know.

If Hugir kills the lovers, only way I could possibly win is if I kill Hugir, and manage to not get executed by Flavor Leaf and the Keeper, and that is only possible if Hugir does not know who I am and fails to redirect me.

If Hugir does know, this game has lost its purpose. Town is not dead yet, but cannot win. All town must decide is which scum team wins. They can either vote Hugir tomorrow with me and get endgamed by me, or they get endgamed by Hugir.

[ActionDan]

Any chance green has no standard kill but has 3 members and both hugir and flavor leaf are scum?

[Feysal]

If that is true, then it is all over. I don't think it is though, that many scum would make it next to impossible for town to win. And Hugir did know about the poison and poison doctor.

I think I have finally figured out what happened. There is a targeting clause in TAR, which says targeting roles do not affect each other. So if Hugir redirected my actions back to me, it would have worked. You then would have deflected my own actions from me to IceDragon. It fits... except how the hell did Hugir get my flyer then?

[Feysal]

There was one crazy idea I entertained for a while though... Benediction having a factional doctor that instead poisons if it hits us. Because they are Benediction after all.

If that is the case, not killing would be the right move from me.

[ActionDan]

Shoot and die, or don't shoot and die, choices!

[Feysal]

Okay, crazy theory time. What if Benediction actually has no way to kill town, just us? And Hugir's redirect only affects scum abilities? In that case they would be bluffing about killing the lovers, and intend to hijack my kill, unless they were bluffing about knowing me too. Tomorrow there would only be two town players left, too few to execute them and me.

But if I choose not to kill, there will be enough of the town left to take out me and Hugir both. And I actually like that. I would not want to win because the town decides to let me. I'd rather be the kingmaker myself.

[Feysal]

And there is a remote chance that either the Keeper or Flavor Leaf gets investigated over me and Hugir does not out me. Then I could stand a chance of winning, so I'm not just throwing the game.

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