AshKetchummm (2): Dennis1993, Raivann
alexhans (1): Boltrig
syndromeofadown (1): AshKetchummm
Kmd4390 (1): ZazieR
ZazieR (1): Kmd4390
Not Voting: alexhans, CntRational, syndromeofadown
5 to lynch.
good point. I guess quitting isn't a scumtell in this case, but the way she quit saying syndrome was sexist was bs.Kmd4390 wrote: Why would she have quit as scum any more than she would as town?
No, I know my case is weak, but it did have the desired effect of generating some quality discussionAshKetchumm wrote: Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me
Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?
I generally see it as a null tell. It's nothing strategic or anything, so it doesn't really indicate alignment.Raiv wrote:Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?
Not really. I think the best place to go is to judge Ash for his own actions unless you can pick out something from Mizz's play. TBH, I really can't.Raiv wrote:Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?
andAsh wrote: I don't think,...I KNOW that she quit because people were accusing hear of being scum from the beginning even though she wasn't...
If you were in the game would you have voted for her?Ash wrote: Well, like I said previously I would been leaning towards her, but like you said, it's irrelevant now.
No.Raivann wrote:CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?
Thought that she was mostly a lurker-ish (who could be putting up a newbie pose) player before she left, but at the moment, I feel that she might just be a confused townie.Kmd4390 wrote:Bolt/Cnt: I didn't notice much from you regarding Mizz. What did you think of her?
She pinged my scumdar for just lurking, since lurkers make the game less fun, really.ZazieR wrote:One player who did catch my attention is CntR. You might remember that he called Dennis out as he didn't post after his vote. Afterwards, he also saw that Mizz hadn't posted after her vote. But when she does post, he only states that he would vote her after waiting on a post (after those 3) as she pinged his scumdar. But he never stated why, and he didn't respond to her last post before she asked to be replaced.
This is a good point. Newbie scum tend to think of lurking as optimal strategy. But they don't want to be called out, so they will post occasionally, especially when called out. Quitting is not a scumtell. The timing and lack of content in her posts is a scumtell.Zazie wrote:Anyway, I still find Mizz suspicious as she suddenly showed up after being called out, but not adding content. She also didn't address any votes or questions in her final post before she decided to leave, but she did address the unvote
What play? You mean quitting? I think that's a nulltell; we will never know for sure if she quit because she was mafia and too much pressure was being put on her, or if she quit because she was just new and didn't like all the negative attention, or even if she quit for another reason altogether and just didn't want to tell us so she made up a reason. I'm going to have to say she was just new. Innocent until proven guilty, I always say.Kmd4390 wrote:SoaD, What were your thoughts regarding Mizz's play? Any opinions on Ash yet?
Can you point out how Raivann was "pushing hard for her" with specific quotes? Because I re-read over his posts and I'm just no seeing it.Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me
Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?"
That combined with her play before that.SoaD wrote:What play? You mean quitting?
In mafia, guilty until proven innocent is a better way to think. At least that's my opinion. Some players say otherwise.SoaD wrote: Innocent until proven guilty
Well, I can see replacing a player who you agree is scummy. I've even done it. The explanation seemed a bit much though.SoaD wrote:I don't like how ash is saying he "admits" that mizz looked scummy, yet says "but now that I took her role I know she's not". He obviously could very well be telling the truth about it, but something just seems fishy about that story that I can't quite put my finger on. Anyone else getting these vibes?
I agree that mizz's attitude was weird and now Ash's attempt to prove his innocence matter-of-factly is not looking townie at all.SOAD wrote: I don't like how ash is saying he "admits" that mizz looked scummy, yet says "but now that I took her role I know she's not". He obviously could very well be telling the truth about it, but something just seems fishy about that story that I can't quite put my finger on. Anyone else getting these vibes?
syndromeofadown wrote:
Also, Ash:
Can you point out how Raivann was "pushing hard for her" with specific quotes? Because I re-read over his posts and I'm just no seeing it.Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me
Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?"
There first off, he seems quite certain that she is mafia at this point, despite a lack of real reason.Raivann wrote:Mizz.Mafia wrote: lol hi?
did i really not post anything? if so, im sorrie. T-T lol
i thought i did, or maybe im too caught up in another game .. penguins and stuff -.-"
well here i am =D
Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.
unvote. Vote: Mizz.Mafia
Raivann wrote:I wasn't sure at the time. I was applying pressure , i would not have hammeredKMD4390 wrote: Raiv, same question as Dennis. Did you think she was scum? Also, would you have been ok with lynching her at the time you voted? If Mizz was at L-1, would you have hammered? Are you still ok with your vote on Ash?
I think her reaction- quitting - is scummy. So yeah i'm still happy with my vote.
KMD you've noticed townie behaviour , have you noticed any scummy ?
CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?
When confronted against his voting, after all the confidence, he seems hesitent, and ask if anyone else has seen it happen before, and says that he has a weak case, despite acting like he knew I was scum without a shadow of a doubt previously.Raivann wrote:good point. I guess quitting isn't a scumtell in this case, but the way she quit saying syndrome was sexist was bs.Kmd4390 wrote: Why would she have quit as scum any more than she would as town?
Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?
Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?
The reason I ask is because of the games I've read, and tried to figure out who was mafia , I've been suspicious of players who quit when they get a little pressure on them.
No, I know my case is weak, but it did have the desired effect of generating some quality discussionAshKetchumm wrote: Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me
Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?
actually what I said was this...Ash wrote: When confronted against his voting, after all the confidence, he seems hesitent, and ask if anyone else has seen it happen before, and says that he has a weak case, despite acting like he knew I was scum without a shadow of a doubt previously.
Notice the words - either, or, and possably.Raivann wrote:Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.
FixedZazie wrote:However, CntR, whose scumdar got pinged by Mizz for lurking, but didn't mention Bolt at all, while he was worse, deserves some attention as well.
Well, one reason is that that I am blind, and missed Dennis/Boltrig. And I just got a hunch on mizz, not much to go on, really...ZazieR wrote:FixedZazie wrote:However, CntR, whose scumdar got pinged by Mizz for lurking, but didn't mention Bolt at all, while he was worse, deserves some attention as well.
Is there any reason why nobody pointed my mistake out?
But CntR, how come you were saying that you'd vote Mizz (which was based upon lurking), but not Boltrig or Dennis? And I'd also like to know what according to you the difference is between your posts so far and those of Mizz.
Also,Mod, if Dennis hasn't been prodded yet, could do you please do so?