Newbie 744 -- Game Over!

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

AshKetchummm (2): Dennis1993, Raivann
alexhans (1): Boltrig
syndromeofadown (1): AshKetchummm
Kmd4390 (1): ZazieR
ZazieR (1): Kmd4390

Not Voting: alexhans, CntRational, syndromeofadown

5 to lynch.

[Raivann]

Why would she have quit as scum any more than she would as town?

good point. I guess quitting isn't a scumtell in this case, but the way she quit saying syndrome was sexist was bs.

Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?

Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?

The reason I ask is because of the games I've read, and tried to figure out who was mafia , I've been suspicious of players who quit when they get a little pressure on them.

Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me

Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?

No, I know my case is weak, but it did have the desired effect of generating some quality discussion

[Kmd4390]

Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?

I generally see it as a null tell. It's nothing strategic or anything, so it doesn't really indicate alignment.

Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?

Not really. I think the best place to go is to judge Ash for his own actions unless you can pick out something from Mizz's play. TBH, I really can't.

[Raivann]

I don't think,...I KNOW that she quit because people were accusing hear of being scum from the beginning even though she wasn't...

and

Well, like I said previously I would been leaning towards her, but like you said, it's irrelevant now.

If you were in the game would you have voted for her?

[AshKetchummm]

[/quote]If you were in the game would you have voted for her?[/quote]

@Raivann--

Early I most likely would of, but after seeing more post I may of withdrawn, but I'm not sure since it didn't happen.

[CntRational]

CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?

No.

Bolt/Cnt: I didn't notice much from you regarding Mizz. What did you think of her?

Thought that she was mostly a lurker-ish (who could be putting up a newbie pose) player before she left, but at the moment, I feel that she might just be a confused townie.

One player who did catch my attention is CntR. You might remember that he called Dennis out as he didn't post after his vote. Afterwards, he also saw that Mizz hadn't posted after her vote. But when she does post, he only states that he would vote her after waiting on a post (after those 3) as she pinged his scumdar. But he never stated why, and he didn't respond to her last post before she asked to be replaced.

She pinged my scumdar for just lurking, since lurkers make the game less fun, really.

As for why I did not post...I think I was sleeping at the time and I missed the entire episode. (I'm in a GMT+5:30 time zone, which sometimes makes things awkward)

[ZazieR]

Time for me to step in. I see many posts which include a part about Mizz leaving in this game and if it had to do anything with her allignment. However, Mizz had also joined two other games besides this one. So if you think that she might be scum as she left, then it's also possible that she was scum in another game.
Also, KMD is right. It doesn't show indicate allignment.

Anyway, I still find Mizz suspicious as she suddenly showed up after being called out, but not adding content. She also didn't address any votes or questions in her final post before she decided to leave, but she did address the unvote.

However, CntR, who votes Mizz for lurking, but didn't mention Bolt at all, while he was worse, deserves some attention as well.

And KMD, I assume that you'll give comments later about the stuff from my previous post you disagreed with.

[Kmd4390]

Anyway, I still find Mizz suspicious as she suddenly showed up after being called out, but not adding content. She also didn't address any votes or questions in her final post before she decided to leave, but she did address the unvote

This is a good point. Newbie scum tend to think of lurking as optimal strategy. But they don't want to be called out, so they will post occasionally, especially when called out. Quitting is not a scumtell. The timing and lack of content in her posts is a scumtell.

Also, I agreed with your post for the most part. If you want to see what I disagreed with, I'll let you know, but it's nothing major.

[syndromeofadown]

SoaD, What were your thoughts regarding Mizz's play? Any opinions on Ash yet?

What play? You mean quitting? I think that's a nulltell; we will never know for sure if she quit because she was mafia and too much pressure was being put on her, or if she quit because she was just new and didn't like all the negative attention, or even if she quit for another reason altogether and just didn't want to tell us so she made up a reason. I'm going to have to say she was just new. Innocent until proven guilty, I always say.

I don't like how ash is saying he "admits" that mizz looked scummy, yet says "but now that I took her role I know she's not". He obviously could very well be telling the truth about it, but something just seems fishy about that story that I can't quite put my finger on. Anyone else getting these vibes?

Also, Ash:

Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me

Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?"

Can you point out how Raivann was "pushing hard for her" with specific quotes? Because I re-read over his posts and I'm just no seeing it.

[Kmd4390]

What play? You mean quitting?

That combined with her play before that.

Innocent until proven guilty

In mafia, guilty until proven innocent is a better way to think. At least that's my opinion. Some players say otherwise.

I don't like how ash is saying he "admits" that mizz looked scummy, yet says "but now that I took her role I know she's not". He obviously could very well be telling the truth about it, but something just seems fishy about that story that I can't quite put my finger on. Anyone else getting these vibes?

Well, I can see replacing a player who you agree is scummy. I've even done it. The explanation seemed a bit much though.

[alexhans]

I don't like how ash is saying he "admits" that mizz looked scummy, yet says "but now that I took her role I know she's not". He obviously could very well be telling the truth about it, but something just seems fishy about that story that I can't quite put my finger on. Anyone else getting these vibes?

I agree that mizz's attitude was weird and now Ash's attempt to prove his innocence matter-of-factly is not looking townie at all.

Vote Ash.

[ZazieR]

Can you explain why what Ash is doing is scummy, Alex?

[AshKetchummm]

Also, Ash:

Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me

Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?"

Can you point out how Raivann was "pushing hard for her" with specific quotes? Because I re-read over his posts and I'm just no seeing it.

lol hi?

did i really not post anything? if so, im sorrie. T-T lol
i thought i did, or maybe im too caught up in another game .. penguins and stuff -.-"

well here i am =D

Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.

unvote. Vote: Mizz.Mafia

There first off, he seems quite certain that she is mafia at this point, despite a lack of real reason.

Than--

Raiv, same question as Dennis. Did you think she was scum? Also, would you have been ok with lynching her at the time you voted? If Mizz was at L-1, would you have hammered? Are you still ok with your vote on Ash?

I wasn't sure at the time. I was applying pressure , i would not have hammered

I think her reaction- quitting - is scummy. So yeah i'm still happy with my vote.

KMD you've noticed townie behaviour , have you noticed any scummy ?

CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?

Here, he say that he "was just applying pressure." but still maintains that he thought Mizz was scum, than proceeds to again act certain that I'm scum.

Furthermore

Why would she have quit as scum any more than she would as town?

good point. I guess quitting isn't a scumtell in this case, but the way she quit saying syndrome was sexist was bs.

Kmd have you ever seen quitting as a scumtell in the games you've played?

Do you think the reasons they give for quitting could be scumtells?

The reason I ask is because of the games I've read, and tried to figure out who was mafia , I've been suspicious of players who quit when they get a little pressure on them.

Raivann, seems like you were pushing pretty hard for her in the beginning and are still going for it strong through me

Trying to get an innocent out quick in the beginning?

No, I know my case is weak, but it did have the desired effect of generating some quality discussion

When confronted against his voting, after all the confidence, he seems hesitent, and ask if anyone else has seen it happen before, and says that he has a weak case, despite acting like he knew I was scum without a shadow of a doubt previously.

In conclusion, in my opinion he, pushed hard for Mizz early, than I switched in, in still held strong pushing for that vote, yet when he was confronted about from someone else, he now all of a sudden seemed unsure and said his case was weak.

[Raivann]

When confronted against his voting, after all the confidence, he seems hesitent, and ask if anyone else has seen it happen before, and says that he has a weak case, despite acting like he knew I was scum without a shadow of a doubt previously.

actually what I said was this...

Mizz either doesn't know, forgot, or doesn't care, or is mafia.
Or possably all of the above.

Notice the words - either, or, and possably.
So this is acting like I knew you were scum without a shadow of a doubt?

Not even close!

If indeed i was convinced you were scum without a shadow of a doubt
I would post in that manner.

[AshKetchummm]

Than what does this quote entitle?

CntR are you scumbuddies with Ash?

[syndromeofadown]

Just want to butt in here and say, Ash can you please stop using THAN when you're supposed to be using the word THEN. It's bugging the hell out of me.

[Raivann]

lazy scumhunting.

[Raivann]

It would work better if we could see physical reactions, more THEN on the internets. haha

sorry for this post, not really, jk

[CntRational]

It would work better if we could see physical reactions, more THEN on the internets. :P haha

sorry for this post, not really, jk :wink:

CntRational jumped back, spilling his chocolate milk in his surprise.
"W-W-What are you talking about?!"

Is this a suitable reaction? ;D

[ZazieR]

However, CntR, whose scumdar got pinged by Mizz for lurking, but didn't mention Bolt at all, while he was worse, deserves some attention as well.

Fixed
Is there any reason why nobody pointed my mistake out?

But CntR, how come you were saying that you'd vote Mizz (which was based upon lurking), but not Boltrig or Dennis? And I'd also like to know what according to you the difference is between your posts so far and those of Mizz.

Also,

Mod

, if Dennis hasn't been prodded yet, could do you please do so?

[Yaw]

Dennis1993 has been prodded (no posts for 5 days).

[AshKetchummm]

Well, since no one else is doing anything.

UNVOTE- VOTE RAIVANN

for previously stated reasons.

[CntRational]

However, CntR, whose scumdar got pinged by Mizz for lurking, but didn't mention Bolt at all, while he was worse, deserves some attention as well.

Fixed
Is there any reason why nobody pointed my mistake out?

But CntR, how come you were saying that you'd vote Mizz (which was based upon lurking), but not Boltrig or Dennis? And I'd also like to know what according to you the difference is between your posts so far and those of Mizz.

Also,

Mod

, if Dennis hasn't been prodded yet, could do you please do so?

Well, one reason is that that I am blind, and missed Dennis/Boltrig. And I just got a hunch on mizz, not much to go on, really...

[Yaw]

Boltrig has been prodded (5 days with no posts).

[Yaw]

Looking for a replacement for Dennis1993. Hope to have that shortly. In the meantime, you guys really need to pick up the posting.