Mafia 89: Revenge (Game Over)

[popsofctown]

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

Day is indeed getting old. His bad voting record is bad, and he can't stop OMGUSsing. He's a good alternative to MP.

Votecount:
Lowell - 4 (armlx, Shanba, Azrael001, kuribo, popsofctown)
Mafiaplayer - 4 (Yosarian2, mykonian, CF Riot, Vi)
Light-kun - 1 (Knight of Cydonia)
kuribo - 1 (Lowell)
armlx - 1 (Light-kun)
CF Riot - 1 (Mafiaplayer)
Not voting: Alabaska J, The Central Scrutinizer, Sun Tzu, BridgesAndBaloons

With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.

[Vi]

He's a good alternative to MP.

"Alternative"?
Let me ask this, do you think the Town or the Vig has a better chance of hitting scum?

[armlx]

Let me ask this, do you think the Town or the Vig has a better chance of hitting scum?

Oooh oooh I know the answer. Not sure why its relevant.

[Vi]

Let me ask this, do you think the Town or the Vig has a better chance of hitting scum?

Oooh oooh I know the answer. Not sure why its relevant.

The one that has the better chance doesn't need to kill obvscum.

[Light-kun]

And as always, there's a counterpoint to that.

Actually, I am not bored with this game, I just feel discussion is stalled,

I really must apologize, but I have lost interest in this game, so it isn't high on my attention list.

Congratulations: You have found the prime example of my need to lie habitually. Or maybe I change my opinion so often, it appears that I am lying.

In any case:
WooHoo! Contradiction.

*Acknowledging a new vote on me...
Hehe... if I get enough of these, I can knit a sweater!

*The town realizes that lynching Mr. Looney-Moongod isn't the worst idea they've had today. After all, we are much too civilized to have Funny Farms.

I know, I know: I was voting armlx, but I am moving my vote back to Mafia Player. He hasn't done anything to make me really reconsider my initial suspicion of him.

Unvote; Vote Mafia Player

It's a corpse tree! Yay! <---If the idea of a "corpse tree" doesn't horrify you, congratulations, you are of a barbaric germanic tribe. Afterall, hanging virgins from trees to appease the gods is where we get ornaments from Christmas trees. YAY! MERRY DEATHMAS EVERYONE!

[Vi]

<12> Don't drink and post, lest ye receive Public Humilitation.

[Mafiaplayer]

Humilitation?

[Light-kun]

Light Yagami states:

Do understand that I am not as think as you drunk I am. Honestly, what are the odds?
You have to believe me, dear Vi, that I would never ever sully my body with that, ever.
Know quite well, my friend, that I would never subscribe to such a horrid nectar that
Gods have forsaken. To contemplate swallowing bitter liquor would most certainly be
of the worst deeds. Never has this thought entered my mind. I do not wish, I confess,
Death to visit me in his dark cloak. Who would ever seek his presence? A bleach hand
like the bare bones of a dead man. He who never dreams of sweets and fruits. For him,
apples? No! Never! Silence yourself and give not! I shall not drink, and I shall not rot!

[Shanba]

Shanba: Convince me to vote Lowell. Do you think LK is scum? Why/why not? Who else do you think is scum? Did you see Gran Torino? If yes, did you like it?

All I have is a whole load of vague ideas, a few supremely scummy posts (notably around MM, though as I said, I'm not sold that is was bussing.) I like armlx's meta, which Lowell hasn't refuted and which is continually being misunderstood (it's not that he's lurky - he's actually not especially. It's the defending easy lynch targets thing. Armlx has backed up this meta with an example and there have been no counterexamples.)

Half the time he seems to be wagoning on the easy wagons just because they're easy and then

admitting

that (see: his MM vote), and the rest of the time he's casually defending these people. I mean, I like there's his defence of azrael, but then azrael was never going to be lynched. He defended Santos, but again, Santos was never going to be lynched. OTOH, he bandwagonned onto both MM and MP, only unvoting MM when he claimed what is essentially an unlynchable role (and at that point he also says that MM looks town from his claim, which is why I don't see the vote as bussing, more as opportunistic - scum would know that MM's claim was basically a deathtrap - as I said before, it's provable. Which also means it's disprovable.) It really reads as "oh, well, now I can't lynch him, maybe I can get some points out of calling him town." I hate his whole attitude to that wagon.

And then his hop on the MP wagon is terrible too: "I tihnk he's 50/50, armlx is scummy and light-kun is scummy. Vote MP."

As for your other question. Light-kun has pinged once or twice. I hatehatehate his last couple of posts. Nevertheless, I'm not really certain he is scum, and I don't really agree with your suspicions of him.

[mykonian]

All I have is a whole load of vague ideas, a few supremely scummy posts (notably around MM, though as I said, I'm not sold that is was bussing.) I like armlx's meta, which Lowell hasn't refuted and which is continually being misunderstood (it's not that he's lurky - he's actually not especially. It's the defending easy lynch targets thing. Armlx has backed up this meta with an example and there have been no counterexamples.)

thank you for finally explaining what Armlx is trying to say.

[popsofctown]

The town can find scum better than the vig can.

[kuribo]

Sorry, Vi, I thought I had answered that about MP.

Of course he's suspicious, and he's clearly determined to be of no help whatsoever at this point.

That said, I think Lowell is the better lynch today.

[armlx]

The town can find scum better than the vig can.

Actually, this only applies to D2 and after, the vig is actually more likely to hit scum shooting blind N0 in a large normal then the town is to hit D1. I did the stats over a year or so and the town was like 10% below random on D1 lynches in large normals.

Also, this largely depends on who the vig is. Really, I don't understand the point of the original question.

[CF Riot]

Dammit guys. I move back to Light cause he's pulling ahead, then two people bail off his wagon and split up! It's like one step forward two steps back.

KoC, Lowell and MP are both at four votes right now. Come back to the Lowell wagon with me and that drives it to six. Myko, you've mentioned Lowell is, at the very least, not a bad lynch. You come join us and we're at 7 votes, the most anyone's had all day and L-2. Whaddaya say gents?

[mykonian]

CF, I must say, the people that are in favor of a Lowell lynch I had a towny read on, and indeed, I don't think we lose much if we lynch Lowell.

unvote vote lowell

[CF Riot]

Vote: Lowell

[The Central Scrutinizer]

post or be replaced. I may continue to be useless for some time, so in a couple of days I will decide whether or not it is time to go. I really, really don't like flaking out on games.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote Lowell

but IGMEOY, Light-kun and Mafiaplayer.

[popsofctown]

igmeoy?

[mykonian]

I got my eye on you.

[Yosarian2]

Eh. I still think mafia player's a better lynch for today. Lowell's not a bad lynch either, but I think the chance of hitting scum in a MP lynch is higher.

[armlx]

I think the chance of hitting scum in a MP lynch is higher.

Why?

[Yosarian2]

(shrug) He's generally acted scummier. His claim is unlikely. Multiple people seem to keep trying to derail his wagon for bad reasons.

[Light-kun]

Shanba: Convince me to vote Lowell. Do you think LK is scum? Why/why not? Who else do you think is scum? Did you see Gran Torino? If yes, did you like it?

All I have is a whole load of vague ideas, a few supremely scummy posts (notably around MM, though as I said, I'm not sold that is was bussing.) I like armlx's meta, which Lowell hasn't refuted and which is continually being misunderstood (it's not that he's lurky - he's actually not especially. It's the defending easy lynch targets thing. Armlx has backed up this meta with an example and there have been no counterexamples.)

Go to post 0 and read Lowell's play in Phate's Vanilla Nightless. It is fairly the same type of play. Not to say you are a liar, but I haven't been so blunt in stating which game. However, I never did get around to reading his scum game, and I don't have time now. Someone remind me to do it in their next post in case I forget again.

As for your other question. Light-kun has pinged once or twice. I hatehatehate his last couple of posts. Nevertheless, I'm not really certain he is scum, and I don't really agree with your suspicions of him.

My last posts were for fun. *Woo hoo*

The town can find scum better than the vig can.

Despite the fact that town is roughly 25% scum and the vig is 100% town? (This assume vig and not serial killer, and additionally assume that the vig is not an idiot.)

Sorry, Vi, I thought I had answered that about MP.

Of course he's suspicious, and he's clearly determined to be of no help whatsoever at this point.

That said, I think Lowell is the better lynch today.

Why Lowell over MP? I just don't quite see the argument outside of Meta and armlx's tunnel vision.

Dammit guys. I move back to Light cause he's pulling ahead, then two people bail off his wagon and split up! It's like one step forward two steps back.

KoC, Lowell and MP are both at four votes right now. Come back to the Lowell wagon with me and that drives it to six. Myko, you've mentioned Lowell is, at the very least, not a bad lynch. You come join us and we're at 7 votes, the most anyone's had all day and L-2. Whaddaya say gents?

Um... I can't see the helpfulness of lynching me. Just going to get that out of the way.

Second paragraph:
Are you just saying lynch Lowell to be done with day? Honestly, that's well in good, but again I ask, give me a case outside of meta.

And I am going to post this anyway realizing full well that if Lowell flips scum that I am fucked. (Because at the time of writing this post while reading, I had no idea that (and I think this is true) that Lowell was lynched.)

Unvote

I may be wrong (counting votes that I think Lowell is as seven is what I am referring to), but I think my vote is useless at this point.

As a side note:
I plan on winning that left nut cfRiot. I don't care if I am lynched, killed, or it takes to the end of the game, I do want that left nut, if only for the ability to say, "I have you by the ball(s)" (As I hope tot win the right nut later.)

[Light-kun]

Ebwop: I didn't miscount, I just had the wrong number of votes to lynch. (I thought it was 7 for some reason.)
Still, at this point, seems little use in voting armlx again. I'll just wait for tomorrow if night doesn't kill me.