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Okay, my first thought after reading the past couple pages: we have to lynch one of Sakako, Monkey, and kyle today. The associative tells we gain by lynching one of them could very easily break the game open at this point (well, depending on how many lurkers are scum). There's been some very awkward vote hopping among those wagons, moreso than can be reasonably expected if there weren't at least one scum among that group and at least one scum jumping between wagons.
Kyle's play this game has been horrible, regardless of alignment. I'm currently thinking a lot of it can be pinned down to meta. (In my other game with him, someone referred to him (in reference to another game) as "lurk 'n hammer kyle" or something to that effect. That sounds very similar to his play here.)
Sakako seems to be happy with any vote that isn't on him. The bigger the wagon he's jumping onto, the better. This is self-preservation at its finest - he doesn't even seem concerned with whether or not the people he votes are scum. I still definitely feel he's our best lynch candidate.
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TOWN-KYLE:
Empire Records mafia, where he was lynched D3
SCUM-KYLE:
Mayor Mafia, where he was lynched D3
I mean, it's really hard to distinguish between his play in either game. I mostly support a kyle lynch for these reasons: 1) he's scummy anyway, 2) if we don't lynch him now and he's town, he's a mislynch later at a crucial point in the game, 3) if we don't lynch him now and he's scum, he'll be allowed to float on by for too long.
Basically, we lose little as town by lynching kyle. If someone can pick something else out from the games I've provided meta-wise, maybe I'll reconsider. But for now, kyle lynch > other lynches.green shirt thursdays-
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I'm trying to read through these ten pages that I've been missing, but I'm finding it hard to pay attention. I keep getting distracted. I figure I'm not going to get any good reads like this, so I'm going to call it a night without posting. See you tomorrow, hopefully without another ten fracking pages to read through.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Come on Nik, put some effort in or replace out.
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On the other hand, I do see his point. Too many of these posts are things like *sigh*. It's not productive, it just lengthens the thread unneccessarily and discourages people who dare to get distracted by RL from catching up. My last post was yesterday, and in that time there's 3 extra pages. I'm not saying it's all unproductive (within those 3 pages Monkey looks more scummy, which is nice) but please guys, try to collect your thoughts before posting.
Before anyone comes out with some crap about me wanting to stifle discussion - read it again. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm all for discussion and posting moar. As long as it's useful posting.
Anyway, moving on.
I really don't like Sakako's immediate wagonhop in 302. Wagoning on someone who's not showing up to defend themselves is a good scum tactic. Plus, saying "This is a pressure vote" kind of negates the pressure of it.
It seems Espeonage was the only one who noticed Monkey's very quick change to kyle after Esp voted for him. Combine it with Almaster's 339. Monkey looks pretty scummy through these last few pages. It's pretty lucky for him that everyone seems to have been distracted from this by Nika's resurfacing.
I agree with DRK's 344. One of those 3 are the best choice for today, we will get lots of information from their flips. Right now I would rather lynch Monkey.
Unvote, vote: MonkeyMan576I'm a townie! Honest!
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Why Monkey over the other two? You spend this whole post talking about not liking Sakako's hopping, then point out Monkey's quick vote hop, but you say nothing about kyle. And, by your own logic, Sakako should be equally as viable as MonkeyMan... what makes MM's hopping scummier than Sak's?almightybob wrote:I agree with DRK's 344. One of those 3 are the best choice for today, we will get lots of information from their flips. Right now I would rather lynch Monkey.green shirt thursdays-
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Maybe it's that Monkey's scumminess is fresher in my mind. MM's hopping isn't scummier than Sak's, but his shift in opinion about meta (as pointed out by Almaster) definitely is.xRECKONERx wrote:Why Monkey over the other two? You spend this whole post talking about not liking Sakako's hopping, then point out Monkey's quick vote hop, but you say nothing about kyle. And, by your own logic, Sakako should be equally as viable as MonkeyMan... what makes MM's hopping scummier than Sak's?
I would be happy with Sak as well, but when I'd just finished reading those pages to catch up, Monkey was at the front of my mind. I didn't like his earlier dismissal of points against him, and now this. It's a very slight preference of him over Sak, but it's there.
Kyle hasn't done enough to seem out-and-out scummy to me. He's been accused of lurking and only posting to respond, which does seem true. However, just from this game he doesn't seem all that scummy to me. The reason I would be happy for a lynch on him is that so many people have taken stances against him, hopped on and off the wagon, called for his lynch for meta reasons etc etc. It would be a good informational lynch. That is the aspect of DRK's post that I agreed with.I'm a townie! Honest!
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0%. I am completely unconvinced of this Kyle wagon right now. I have already explained why I think lynching him because he's "hard to read" is a bad play. Given the fact that there are plenty of other people acting extremely scummy (Monkey and Sak), I see no reason why Kyle cannot wait. Monkey isn't even trying to explain himself in response to anything I say, he's just letting it get buried in all the lotsofposting and hoping the wagon on Kyle will take over.Espeonage wrote:AGM and xRx, what do both of you rate the possibility of a kyle-Monkey-??? scumteam at this point?
I ask you two as you seem both seem to have opinions on Monkey as well as the other main wagons.
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No. I don't have the time to read 50+ pages just to confirm what several people have already said. Enough people have agreed on kyle's meta that I doubt it's a scum ploy, so I'm happy to take your collective word for it that he is difficult to read and plays similarly regardless of role.xRECKONERx wrote:Did you read the games I posted for examples of both kyle's town and scum meta?
As Almaster has said, kyle can probably wait. He's a good information lynch and if we do eventually go to him today I won't be too against it, but I'd prefer Monkey or Sak today, and slightly prefer Monkey over Sak.
To sum up - people I would be willing to lynch today, in order of preference:
Monkey
Sak
Kyle
People I would not be willing to lynch today:
Everyone else.I'm a townie! Honest!
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This.I am completely unconvinced of this Kyle wagon right now. I have already explained why I think lynching him because he's "hard to read" is a bad play. Given the fact that there are plenty of other people acting extremely scummy (Monkey and Sak), I see no reason why Kyle cannot wait. Monkey isn't even trying to explain himself in response to anything I say, he's just letting it get buried in all the lotsofposting and hoping the wagon on Kyle will take over.
Kyle would be more or less a policy lynch at this point. He wouldn't be abadlynch information-wise, but we have two scummier players that would also be very good lynches information-wise.
[hint]Kyle is the kind of player that really makes you hope the town has a vig.[/hint]-
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I'm going to reread Sakako v. Monkey. I agree wholeheartedly that Kyle is a bad lynch, as implied earlier.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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