Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Katyusha]

Makeshift VC for elects

• Ghostlin (4)
  - Ghostlin, BigYoshiFan, Katyusha, ErrantParabola
  
  Aneninen (3)
  - Aneninen, singersigner, RadiantCowbells
  
  GuiltyLion (1)
  - Smocaine
  
  BigYoshiFan (1)
  - Something_Smart
  
  singersinger (1)
  - GuiltyLion

Hi, this is a really gross VC! Can people vanity voting explain why their votes are better than Ghostlin/Anen? Anen, can you vote for Ghostlin since he's also your top scumread? Ghostlin, same to you but for Anen, and also a readlist would come a long way.

Thank you!

eddie cane

(not a post i want drowned by a pagebottom)

[beeboy]

Day 2, VC 3

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Radiant Cowbells (3)

- GuiltyLion, Smocaine, BigYoshiFan

Aneninen (1)

- RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (8)

- Katyusha, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Creature, Aneninen

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-13 23:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Vengeful: When you die you may target a player and they will die as well. This is disabled in lylo.

Ghostlin (4)

- Ghostlin, BigYoshiFan, Katyusha, Errantparabola

Aneninen (3)

- Aneninen, singersigner, RadiantCowbells

GuiltyLion (1)

- Smocaine

singersigner (1)

- GuiltyLion

BigYoshiFan (1)

- Something_Smart

Not Voting (3)

- Something_Smart, Vonflare, Creature

[beeboy]

Alright it's been fun but

Reveal as IC

VOTE: Adenine

I can't think who else Reckoner would have targeted.

Counterspell

Bam! Counterspell has successfully resolved.

[Creature]

Huh what?

[Creature]

Was that action real?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes it was real why do you think I didn't care about being guiltied?

Beeboy is just trolling right now

[Creature]

I mean the counterspell.

[Katyusha]

no lol




y'all tho can we actually get this game moving and vote our scumreads at the bare minimum?

pedit: rc i think you're town anyway you dont need an IC to prove that <3

[Smocaine]

I HAVE NOT MENTIONED BEING COACHED IN ANY WAY EVEN ONCe, YOU TAKE THAT BACK EP

[RadiantCowbells]

Smocaine 300 posts and you can have the peace of death.

[Smocaine]

ghost needs to explain why I am facepalming at all of his posts and why none of them involve ELECTING GL.

[singersigner]

Ok here I go...(sorry it was a long time coming...I get distracted with house hunting >_>).

Significant findings:

• RadiantCowbells mentioned Aneninen so infrequently, the two times he addressed his read on him were because he was "so conftown."
  
• OMFG IT TOOK ME TO CRL-F GUILTY TO REALIZE THAT HE'D BEEN REFERRING TO HIM AS ADENINE FUCKING SCUM FUCK
  
• My motivation just plummeted...
  
• I hate everything
  
• ISOing scum is literally the worst
  
• However VCA shows Aneninen voted for RC first
  
• What're the chances all three scum wagoned the same townie right out of the gate...
  
• Mastina's comments about Aneninen...837 feels like withholding from Aneninen...consistent scumread but never truly pushing, always calling other people out for not pushing. Devil's advocate: could be trying to get a wagon going on someone other than his scumbuddy...
  
• I skimmed through more and this caught my eye, particularly where he mentioned GuiltyLion flying under his radar. Creature seems more town because of it, though.
  
• I'm not going to lie...I didn't read much more of mastina's posts, especially the ones I hadn't already read/responded to.

I'm bored, I feel like this game stagnated and I'll take responsibility for losing steam once we nailed 2/3 scum. I think at this point we just need to agree on a plan and Take 2 tomorrow if we have to.

Now I'm distracted with Grace and Frankie...

[Katyusha]

mastina put cheeky and aneninen in basically the same bin and treated them identically imo, which honestly just makes me think he's town here

singer when you're back do you agree that electing a scumread and then promptly lynching them so they can kill RC if town and literally anyone if scum is a good plan, and if not, why not

[Katyusha]

For the record I have an 100% record, minus one game, of reading Adenine to the point of trying to fakeclaim cop guilties on him

let's make {adenine, cheekyteeky, katyusha} my job to sort and you all sort other people

i also lowkey think this is code for "these are the townies im going to focus on pocketing because theyre my friends and i can absolutely pocket them" but it's probably meaningless

[singersigner]

OH.

Forgot about Errant responding at some point...

My scumread on him is not just based on thinking that he's reading but not responding, it's that coupled with the fact that he has 13 posts in the entire game. My paranoid-ass says that no matter WHAT content is involved, lurking scum win games. That being said, this response makes sense that he was catching up from that point and did proceed to make a meatier post than the "joke." There's just not enough content in those 13 posts to base a substantial read.

That's why he will perpetually be included in my lynch-list.

Preview Edit:
Uh...I can go along with that understanding, but I don't looooove needing to trust someone to do the dirty work for us, lol.

Preview Edit x2:
Well you would as you're in the list, but it'd be pretty easy to include his buddy with a 100% read rate knowing he would be bullshitting either way.

[Katyusha]

i mean our alternative is just lynching rc today and having whoever we venge decide who we're killing (since we cant

actually

force them to go against their reads if we do something else),
so putting trust in other people means getting flips faster and also being able to decide all of the lynches as a majority

and yeah, i guess that's fair lol

[Katyusha]

I’m withholding my full stance on ep besides I think ghostlin’s lynch should end the game

[Smocaine]

Smocaine 300 posts and you can have the peace of death.

only game I've hit that was when the dead were incentivized to post. I don't have it in me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Smocaine 300 posts and you can have the peace of death.

only game I've hit that was when the dead were incentivized to post. I don't have it in me.

[Smocaine]

could you replace me rc ?

[Creature]

Sorta sucks when you have to lynch the confscum today, hope to not get nightkilled tonight and run the risk of town getting sweeped by the last scum.

[Creature]

Smocaine, what chesskid is saying?

[Creature]

Who's most likely scum? Who to never lynch?

[Aneninen]

I don't see that as argument so much as this: the play's suboptimal. It involves chess/smocaine slot to literally bus both RC and mastina in a gambit, get them to agree, get them both lynched, and then somehow elude suspicion in a three person LYLO to win.

I don't see scum!mastina agreeing to such a play.

That's true. As far as I remember Mastina hates bussing.
Also, it would have made sense if either of them had been bussed. But after a while it was obvious that Reck would target RC, which means another scum-lynch.

Srceen: If anyone's got a towncase give me the towncase otherwise just kill this person at some point. plausible bus? (Update: reading d2 makes me feel okay with Srceen town maybe)

Indeed there wasn't much townish in his Day1. But, as I posted in 3426, I can't see him as Mastina's partner. He was scumreading Mastina all Day1, which might have been a bus. But, when things started going terrible (yet again, don't ignore Reckoner's targetting!), he could have jumped off. If Mastina had gone for scumreading me, she, Srceenplay and Singersinger (And Cheeky and others) could have pushed my wagon to lynch.

Katyusha: At first glance is a plausible 3rd partner but again I do remember feeling like she was town last I heard. I know I've been nursing a super scumread for a long time and I want to trust that

I've posted about her too.

Disagree. Maybe it's less likely that they bus but scum only needs one person to endgame. It's a plausible strategy. Don't discount those on the wagon.

It's not only that I don't think they were bussing. I've examined all the names on the wagon and even the scummiest one (BigYoshiFan) doesn't look too scummy compared to those who were off. [Apart from Chesskid/Smocaine and me, but I've explained this before.]

This is very plausible considering RC pushed GL hard and I guess I'd like everyone who thinks GL is scummy to parse this and make sure that this observation is cohesive with their read, especially anyone in team John Galt who's following this game and Aneninen

In 3284 I examined him. Also, in 3371 I posted that Mastina was distancing hard from GL. (And more or less, vice versa.)

I have experience here (I think it was DEFCON?) but I don't remember anything about this so please elaborate

Something_Smart has an incredibly slow gameplay right now. I've never met him before so I don't know whether it fits his meta. But I guess if his townplay were entirely different, other players with some experience would have pointed it out by now.

Bam! Counterspell has successfully resolved.

Huh what?

Was that action real?

Is that normal from Creature?

[vonflare]

What