Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[hasdgfas]

player

MGIA

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player Michigan Green Industry Association

-or-

player Multi-Grid Iterative Approach

[Iammars]

I think the following players need to post more:

1.) Iammars

Yeah, I know. I'm working on a reread, remember?

However, I have NO time until Wednesday to even attempt a reread. So I wouldn't wait for me.

[hasdgfas]

player MrGnomeItAll

[petroleumjelly]

CKD, a few questions for you.

1.)

Please explain why you role-blocked Talitha on Night One. Day One ended on January 23rd. You never mentioned Talitha in a single one of your posts until Feb 3. Point to specific posts; be as detailed as possible.

2.)

After having role-blocked Talitha on Night One, you must have noticed there were two kills. This should have indicated to you that you likely did not role-block a scum who had doing any killing. With such knowledge, why then would you have role-blocked Talitha a

second

time in a row?

In my experience, scum groups tend to have the same player do all the killing (unless they come under suspicion, or are killed) and I expect you have seen a similar trend, so you would have known that your action would likely have done nothing at all, and even the lack of a nightkill would not have given you any information whatsoever to work from. Hence, if your goal was to stop a nightkill, you clearly would have been better off role-blocking a separate player.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I should be able to catch up today or Wednesday.

[Holy]

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b.)

A few players have called CKD's breadcrumb very "weak", without taking into account the

reason

his breadcrumb may have been so late (even I did not notice this until after CKD mentioned it), and the fact that his breadcrumb was substantive enough (by fitting "RB" in one post three times) that it was implausible to think he had left

separate

breadcrumbs for the possibility of him claiming

a different

role.

Scum favorite fake-claims are RB and Cop, why? RB - Because if there's such a role like Tracker in the game, they may be able to 'explain' about the Track Result to keep alive. Cop - Usually near endgame, fake-claim Cop too early is bold but careless, this could be happened well because of their 'knowledge'. Wait, maybe I should add Jester too on that list? :p
So, if CKD is scum and had left the RB-claim trail, I don't think he feel the need to left

separate

breadcrumbs of a different role, RB is quite a safe claim.
I'm not dismissing the plausibility that CKD maybe indeed the RB, but the fact him created the trail after Pooky's claim, is bothering me. If he is Town, like from the meta (link he provided about his MASON claim), don't you think he should realized the need to breadcrumb on earlier day like his mason-claim case, to help when revealing his -might be helpful RB result- sometime when needed, to us? And not after being called by Pooky regarding Talitha's death.
While typing this, I realized if RB is quite a common role, and feel quite bothered by the fact that no one 'till now had counter claim CKD's role. It might be indeed he's not faking it. But, an RB is not always on the town side, I guess. And obviously, hasd's and CKD's claim are contradictory, one of them must be lying, so I don't believe the possibility if both are Town.
However, like you said, his role-blocked choices were odd. If he can explain his reason of his each night choices well, which so far he didn't do, maybe I should reconsider his lynch for a second time.

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

I really don't have much to say. I'm supportive of the CKD lynch. Beyond that, I got nothin.

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My scumdar swings like a pendulum in this game.

unvote, vote: CKD

[petroleumjelly]

*rests chin on hand*

I am not understanding how players are seemingly prioritizing as near the bottom of their lists. This is a point in the game where I would expect everybody to be active, instead of avoiding the game and claiming they need to do rereads instead of giving their immediate opinions. I am especially ill at ease with hasdgfas's and CKD's attitudes here. Generally, when two people are at

direct odds

with each other and one of them is probably going to be lynched, it rather incites them into

posting more

.

I would actually call for hasdgfas to break his restriction -- it is difficult to read him during this time when he is sticking to two words per post. Chances are he has not received enough of the trigger words to gain an ability, and since he apparently only has a "powerless night" when breaking his restriction, I think the town has more to gain with him breaking it over his not breaking it. Additionally, if he is scum I would rather him not have an additional power (assuming his claim may have any truth whatsoever, which is 100% unverified).

Also -- since nobody else has bothered to comment -- I did some more thinking and I actually think MGIA still should not steal anybody's vote. If he is town, it will not "save" us from losing since scum can just nightkill him anyways. If he is scum, we don't want him to have an extra vote.

[petroleumjelly]

Access to My Opinions = Thought

Access to

Your

Opinions = Posting

Access = Denied

[hasdgfas]

consensus :arrow: breaking

[Mizzy]

I'm about to be out of town for a bit (woot for an all-expenses-paid trip for a job interview) and will be only able to post little. I'll be back Saturday!

[hasdgfas]

ckd quiet

[curiouskarmadog]

still here had 2 other games that I needed to update and we have played poorly this game is basically lost....will get to PJ's questions tomorrow..

I doubt that Has will break is restriction, no reason for him to while most of the town wants to mislynch me...

[hasdgfas]

active lurking.

[mathcam]

I'm still leaning toward Has not breaking his restriction, especially now that there's 3 days left until deadline -- even if he's scum, I doubt he'd say anything so dumb that would make him the likely lynch for the day

PJ: I disagree with your stance on CKD not denying the Pooky target, I think the natural response for ckd in that position, if he were telling the truth, is so clearly to post that he did not target Pooky that the lack of such a statement is (to me) a very strong statement that he in fact did, or at least that he hadn't yet made up his mind whether or not he was going to deny it.

I also don't think "Why did you block on night 1?" is a particularly strong question. Save for vigs, it's not uncommon in my experience for players to use any role they get on night 1, not realizing (or perhaps despite realizing) that such a play is not optimal strategy. On the other hand, ckd is experienced enough to know better, so maybe there's some merit to this point after all.

I'm not ignoring the possibility that has is scum. I think it's significantly more likely, given the way that the day unfolded, that ckd is scum than has is. And, of course, if they're both scum, then we're at least not mislynching.

Finally, I agree that there should be no vote-stealing.

Cam

[Mastermind of Sin]

uhh, tomorrow is double or nothin day on this game. I'm leaving around 5 pm. If my reread doesn't get done by then, I'm sorry. Things keep getting in the way.

[Holy]

hasd - not breaking.

MGIA - no vote-stealing, there's no need for it, yet.

If on this weekend, not much that can change my mind, I'll vote before Monday comes.

[mathcam]

Deadline: Sunday, March 30 at 2pm Central US Time.

[hasdgfas]

need Amens.

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need Amens.

You do? Mazel Tov! Amen!

[Holy]

Deadline: Sunday, March 30 at 2pm Central US Time.

Oops!
I thought we still have a week more before deadline :p

I'll be here on Saturday or around deadline then, I still want to know more from MoS or Iammars if the time permits.

[mathcam]

I still want to know more from MoS or Iammars if the time permits.

Amen!

Cam

[Mastermind of Sin]

Deadline: Sunday, March 30 at 2pm Central US Time.

ugh. I'm leaving in 15 min and I won't be back by 2 pm...if the deadline were extended until, say, 10 pm Sunday, I could probably get a few quick thoughts off before deadline. Otherwise, it's a no-go...