Mini 574: Portal Mafia: HUGE SUCCESS

[Gorrad]

Because I'm a gunsmith. Therefore we can assume pretty safely that there's either a protown killer or an antitown nonkiller. Or both. Antitown nonkillers would typically be cult.

[populartajo]

Bleh, thats how you welcome newbies?

[scotmany12]

Eh, you just made it sound like that if there was one there had to be the both a vig and a cult or neither of them due to you using and. Just got confused really.

[Gorrad]

If there's a cult there's a vig. If there's an SK there's not a vig. Or there was a doc protect last night, but I don't think we'd have three NKers in this size setup.

[Incognito]

A few thoughts came to mind.

First, I'm a bit surprised by the mafia NK choice. Was Patrick's towniness really that much more important to the scum than two claimed power roles? Gorrad, the claimed Gunsmith, is still alive AND was able to investigate someone last night. Likewise Mach-Mafia, the claimed weak doctor, also is still alive and was able to protect Gorrad. Could this be indicative that the mafia do not have a roleblocker?

For the record, I do believe Gorrad's claim for a few reasons. First if Mach-Mafia is lying scum, he's confirmed Gorrad by mentioning that he's innocent from the get-go. Second, The Jester mentioned something that I don't think scum would say to his buddy after a role claim:

YWN does have a point, how often are gunsmiths even in a mafia game? I haven't been in a game with one yet.

He questioned the role claim therefore trying to cast doubt towards Gorrad.

Mach-Mafia, do you function as a regular doctor with the exception of committing suicide if you attempt to protect scum? r u scumz?

Gorrad, you've suggested the idea of a cult if we have a vig and not an SK. Are vigs always accompanied by cults?

Or there was a doc protect last night, but I don't think we'd have three NKers in this size setup.

About this, we already have someone who claimed weak doctor who protected you last night so I don't think the doctor protected anyone from another NK during Night 1.

[Gorrad]

Vigs are not always accompanied by cults, no, and there's always the chance we're only dealing with scum. Given who made this game, I actually wouldn't be surprised by either outcome. If we have a confirmed vig, though, we should keep a weather eye out. Something in this game is going to have been specifically put there to throw my results.

[Ether]

I'm also surprised by the kill, but it doesn't really change my strategy. There's only so far a claimed protective role that clears people can go. (Also, in this instance, I do believe M-M due to Jester's unnecessary vote in 261.)

I doubt there's a cult. I tend to think cults are stronger than mafia, so implementing one just so it can be immune to investigative roles on top of everything else seems cruel. (Actually, there's an ongoing game that might or might not fly in the face of this, but I still don't think

Glork

would do it.)

Ever, who's scum?

[Incognito]

I'm also surprised by the kill, but it doesn't really change my strategy. There's only so far a claimed protective role that clears people can go. (Also, in this instance, I do believe M-M due to Jester's unnecessary vote in 261.)

Ah, nice catch. I forgot about that vote on M-M.

[Your Worst Nightmare]

Putting aside the theory of both Gorrad and M-M being scum covering each other (which Jester's vote in post 261 is evidence of nothing, and the whole situation could potentialy also explain why Gorrad can't dismiss the idea of me being anti-town, even though I have no killing ability); skimming the thread from the beginning made me conclude that if Sir Tornado is scum, Incognito most likely isn't. And vice-versa.
(I was away for the weekend and just came back, so not really feeling like going back and forth quotting stuff that wouldn't be nearly enough to make a case anyway. Their bickering was what stood out to me the most when re-reading the thread and there isn't really much else to pick up on.)

Hence,

Vote: Sir Tornado

. Let's see if this discussion now becomes "inspiring" enough for him to start posting.


Flameaxe and scotmany12 should post more too and present their opinions on people and stuff. They hardly ever do that. Why is it?

Incognito, as I haven't covered him yet, has been very agressive, and towards the wrong people. Major scum vibes.

No.

Explain why?

Gorrad, did you have a look at the meta that I cited for Miztef in Post 260? The way Miztef has played here is

much more

consistent with his town meta than his scum meta. I urge you to have a look through it to confirm this.

So Miztef starts playing scummy/wishy-washy all the time, and suddently he's town in all games he's in. Am I missing something?

[Ether]

Incognito and Tornado didn't bicker.

Explain why?

Aggressiveness is not a tell (unless there's an Incognito-specific meta I don't know of). Inaccuracy is certainly not a tell on Day 1, and it's sketchy later.

So Miztef starts playing scummy/wishy-washy all the time, and suddently he's town in all games he's in. Am I missing something?

Pooky's game implies Miztef is backwards.

Tornado doesn't actually seem to be around, by the way.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Flameaxe – My position is still the same on flameaxe as yesterday with high levels of suspicions. Plus I just noticed flameaxe had ZERO serious votes the entire Day 1, which reaffirms the fact that he is extremely unhelpful. Also the fact that he has ignored this game while posting 19 times in other games since the start of Day 2 is not helping his cause either.

Your Worst Nightmare - Neutral stance. What I did not like was YWN's passiveness in Posts 182 and 192, but I can attribute some of that to newbieness. Overall he has done a decent job of responding to issues and contributing to the game, but not enough for me to fully warrant a protown position on him. Gorrad's result on him is a plus as well.

Sir Tornado, Cake - Top of the suspicion list along with Flameaxe. ST is basically the same as flameaxe. Fluffy posts, unhelpful scumhunting, no serious votes at all the entire day.

Gorrad - Confirmed protown gunsmith. Bottom of list.

Miztef - Neutral stance. Miztef had many scummy and protown actions that cancels each other out. This neutral is worse than YWN's neutral.

Ether – Protown stance. Haven't seen anything scummy, and has been helpful in scumhuniting and general game issues.

Incognito - Takes the place of Patrick as the most non-confirmed protown player in my eyes.

scotmany12 - Relatively less suspicious than flameaxe and ST, but much more suspicious than anyone else. His Day 1 scumhunting consisted of tunnel vision on me. Rest of his contributions are either fluff or game theory, which is pretty much like lurking in plain sight.

So currently my top lynch candidates are {flameaxe, sir tornado, scotmany12} in that order.

Vote: flameaxe

Mach-Mafia, do you function as a regular doctor with the exception of committing suicide if you attempt to protect scum?

Basically yes, except I get killed by antitown players instead of committing suicide. So my role also functions as a cop that can get antitown/non-antitown results.


I also kept track of the three major wagons of D1, which happened to be all on protown players:

Gorrad wagon: {

Patrick

, Incognito, Miztef, YWN,

MM

}

MM wagon: {scotmany,

Gorrad

, Miztef, Incognito,

The Jester

,

populartajo

}

Tajo wagon: {Incognito,

Patrick

, Miztef,

Gorrad, MM

,

The Jester

, scotmany}

The trio of town wagons means there had to be some scum involved. A confirmed scum, The Jester, was on two of the wagons. Scotmany, one of my current top suspects, was also on 2 of the wagons, so I see scotmany in an even worse light now. I do find it interesting that Incognito & Miztef are on all three wagons. For now I mainly attribute that to their prolific participation plus the lack of participation from other players.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

EBWOP:

So my role also functions like a cop that can get antitown/non-antitown results.

[Incognito]

and the whole situation could potentialy also explain why Gorrad can't dismiss the idea of me being anti-town, even though I have no killing ability

Actually, I don't blame Gorrad for still being suspicious of you. Just because he investigated you and found that you did not kill last night doesn't mean you're not scum. It's possible that only one member of the mafia has to submit the kill and that person who submits the kill is the one who would come back as the person who killed for that night.

Ether also covered this already but yes, Sir Tornado and I didn't bicker.

So Miztef starts playing scummy/wishy-washy all the time, and suddently he's town in all games he's in. Am I missing something?

Pooky's game implies Miztef is backwards.

Again, what she said. I'm guessing Pooky is NabNab but the point is Miztef's scum meta shows him as being more in control and a lot less wishy washy than his town meta. It doesn't mean that he definitely can't be scum here but I'm less inclined to believe so.

P.S. Flameaxe is beginning to do exactly what I would expect him to do if he were scum.

[Mike O' Malley]

P.S. Flameaxe is beginning to do exactly what I would expect him to do if he were scum.

LOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[Incognito]

Alt?

[Flameaxe]

Alt?

Yeah.

[Incognito]

Vote: Flameaxe

This is beginning to remind me of Open 58 all over again.

[Flameaxe]

I know right?

[Incognito]

Who do you think is scum? Elaborate on your suspicions?

[Flameaxe]

I am suspicious of everyone. After all, no one is confirmed.

[Incognito]

Why did you kill Patrick last night?

[Flameaxe]

I'm afraid I do not hold the info to answer that, as I am conveniently...not scum. Why did you kill Patrick?

[Incognito]

I don't hold the answer to that since I didn't kill him.

[Flameaxe]

You never denied not being scum, and you never denied having a kill. Good one buddy.

[Incognito]

You're big on semantics, aren't you?