Mini 567 - iPick - Game Over: The Stunning Conclusion

[hasdgfas]

unvote

I find Xtoxm slightly less scummy than before, so my vote comes off to help us keep from no-lynching

[Paradoxombie]

Volkan, is your vote still on Shaft.ed for any purpose other than wanting to see if you had a normal vote?

[NabakovNabakov]

What? It's 7 to lynch..

At deadline, if a player has a majority of the votes being cast (e.g. all votes not on Not Voting) that player will be lynched. Otherwise, no lynch will occur and night will commence.

7 voting players (now 6 thanks to hasd) = 4 to lynch. Now anybody can vote Paradox to acheive a lynchable count.

[vollkan]

Volkan, is your vote still on Shaft.ed for any purpose other than wanting to see if you had a normal vote?

Yes.

Para had my highest ranking so I will

Vote: Paradoxombie

for now, in the interests of avoiding No Lynch. But I am keeping an open mind on my other high-ranked.

[vollkan]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Paradoxombie

[Paradoxombie]

I'll simply unvote if nothing changes before deadline(though that is unlikely). I don't like how these mechanics put preassure on voters to have a majority so long before deadline.

[Paradoxombie]

hmm, I missed 603 and 604 when I typed 605

[Paradoxombie]

@ Volkan, then why did you vote Shaft.ed?

[vollkan]

I misread you.

Volkan, is your vote still on Shaft.ed for any purpose other than wanting to see if you had a normal vote?

I thought you said:
"Volkan, is your vote still on Shaft.ed for no purpose other than wanting to see if you had a normal vote?"

My vote on shaft.ed was purely to test my vote, as I said at the time.

[Adel]

vote: Lawrencelot

this is the wagon I want to take to a lynch.

I am perfectly sincere in this.

I don't like the Brawl excuse, I don't like his interaction with hasddegas, and I don't like how easily he could be scum trying to bus Xtoxm and tie my fate to Xtoxm's.

para-zombie or Xtoxm would be his most likely scumpartners.

[Adel]

Paradoxombie is a bad lynch.

[Guardian]

Vote Count 10

You can see the TV set from the glow of rage in Pikachu's eyes:

Paradoxombie[4] (NabakovNabakov, cicero, Rogueben, vollkan)
xyzzy[2] (Xtoxm, Paradoxombie)
Lawrencelot[1] (Adel)

7 to lynch

[Lawrencelot]

First of all: a question for those voting Paradoxombie. What do you think of DGB's alignment? And please unvote him, he's not todays lynch.

Sorry, guys, just got Brawl. I realize there's a deadline, but I think Para and Xtoxm are both not very good lynches. I really want to lynch someone, however, but prefereably someone like Adel/xyzzy/hasdgfas. Unvote, switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.

Supply reasons, or direct me to where you have previously given reasons. Thanks.

hasdfgas: admittedly, I didn't realize there were 2 doc claims. Your explanation was sufficient,

but still I have a feeling you're not very protown.

I'll answer your questions when I have time.

Interesting turn of phrase there.

For starters, you use the word "feeling". That comes second only to "hunch" in my lexicon of despised words.

Moreover, your reason for still suspecting hasd is that he doesn't seem "very protown". I ask you, then, who does seem "very protown"?

You simulposted. I'll direct you to the post above the quoted one . I use my feeling very much on Day 1, especially if a game starts with no night. Feeling (and my role pm) is all I have if no alignments are known. Until anyone is dead, providing a case based on good logic will be hard, also because ties to a living player don't tell that much. Who does seem protown to me? I'll make another list:
Paradoxombie: very protown, reasons are role-related
shaft.ed: very protown, role-related reasons, and feeling
xtoxm: pretty protown, mainly feeling
Nab-nab: a bit protown, mainly feeling
adel: could go either way. I assume town for now to prevent mislynching.
Others: don't know yet.

To those who played with xyzzy often: does he normally become more active after Day 1?

the vote was because I thought you didn't believe Para's role at all. How sure are you that Para is lying/speaking the truth?

I'm not sure either way, to be honest. I still want clarification on what Para means when he said "some kind of doctor." That can mean any number of different things, and because he claimed doctor, some people don't want to lynch him. I still want him to answer that question, because he seems to have ignored it in all posts since the question, which doesn't make me feel any better about him.

Can you answer this again, now that you know he explained it?

I think the first order of business should be to get the fairly pointless votes off of Xyzzy unless someone can provide a good reason for them being there.

Why don't you tell us why they shouldn't be there? For me, for example, Xyzzy would be a good lynch target: I have protown reads on several players, xyzzy didn't contribute much, yet he did take a stand and people have expressed thoughts about him. Same counts for Rogueben, but finding ties with him would be much harder.

The reasons to not lynch Para are related to my own role pm.

Can you elaborate without giving much info away?

I'm afraid I cannot. Maybe later in the game.

Small summary on xyzzy:
He was pretty active pregame. Day 1 starts, he suggests massclaiming at some point. Causes discussion, which is good. Xyzzy lurks. Then he suggests nameclaiming late D1-ish. So, xyzzy, why don't you go ahead? You got 1 full day to let everyone claim. He doesn't believe Xtoxms claim. Buddies up with Adel in xyzzy's posts 19, 21, 22, (23), 24.

This is probably even less contributing than Rogueben. Considering there are several people that I find protown, I think xyzzy is a safe lynch. It will also tell us more about Adel, someone who many people think can be just as easily scum as town. And it might tell us more about Xtoxm too, which would tell us more about other players.

Vote: Xyzzy

[Adel]

Actually I agree with that post. Xyzzy would be an informative lynch, and even though I don't think he is especiallyt scummy, I don't expect him to be especially helpful if he is scum.

Low risk; moderate reward.

unvote, vote:xyzzy

[Rogueben]

In the interests of preventing a no-lynch.

Vote: xyzzy

.

I will be around tomorrow morning and will be looking to move my vote if a wagon on Lawrence or para can form.

[cicero]

I don't agree that Xyzzy will be as informative a lynch as Adel nd Lawrencelot do. I just re-read him and I see 28 posts about next to nothing at all. No real opinions. Just surfing by. Obviously, I've been pretty quiet myself but that's an other commitments thing. If anyone votes Xyzzy it should be because they figure Xyzzy is lurking scum not because it will be super informative. But there is something here to be addressed in my view.

The entirety of Xyzzy's play:

- Lets massclaim
- Lets massclaim "at some point". the response to my suggestion is "interesting". Interesting is not defined.
- Let's all nameclaim before the end of day one
- "I don't believe Xtoxm's (the Doctor's) claim. It's weird and gimme more flavor info"
- Adel is pro-town for fake day vigging.
- Adel's request for paragraphs is unethical and breaks the spirit of the game.
- people with post restrictions are barred from saying they have them.

So Xyzzy does not present a lot of information we can follow. There is a tenuous connection with Adel and a tenuous un-connection with Xtoxm. So that's a teeny bit of information. Adel is currently voting Xyzzy so for them to be scum together she has to be bussing.

But what Xyzzy does do is slipperily hunt for game mechanic information. He subtly speaks of claiming. Seeming to push for a mass claim or mass name claim without actually pushing really hard for it. At least not in the way I and other people do when they push. (You know, with paragraphs that contain arguments that are drafted in such a manner as to suggest the person has some conviction with respect to the relevant subject matter.)

At the same time though, he is the quickest to chide adel on the question of paradox's paragraph numbers. Which could be moral indignation but it could also be a quick reaction based on some sudden vulnerability that he fears may be exposed through this line of inquiry.

What keeps standing out to me is that his comments are all on claims. claims claims claims. It all keeps coming back to claims.

The picture I'm getting - and I admit it is quite imperfect - is mixed. Is it possibly someone who has a safe claim but worries that the safeclaim will depart in some material way from the pro-town claims? Some sort of flavor cop? A mafia flavor cop who can hunt for power roles if he knows there names.

Xyzzy. You are at L-2 and I'd like some explanations. So since you love claims so much... if you happen to pop in... how about you... claim?

[Guardian]

25 hours until deadline.

[xyzzy]

I've already name claimed, but if you'd like me to again...

I'm the Triforce of Wisdom. I'm a mystery role. Don't know what I do yet.

By the way, this is exactly how Adel played in Open 59, where she was town, day one. I don't think that's coincedence, as it's kind of unusual Adel play.

Cicero is sending out protown vibes. Rogueben's wagonning seems scummy.

[xyzzy]

EBWOP:

Guardian, would you be okay with a "when did you receive a role" claim?

[Guardian]

Yes.

[Xtoxm]

What's that got to do with anything?

[NabakovNabakov]

Dead Reckoning VC

Paradoxombie[3] (NabakovNabakov, cicero, vollkan)
xyzzy[5] (Xtoxm, Paradoxombie, Lawrencelot, Adel, Rogueben)

8 votes on, 5 to lynch

I'd still rather lynch Paradox than xyzzy, and if we're going to lynch a lurker, I'd prefer Rogueben. Xyzzy would be an information poor lynch for more reasons than the ones cicero laid down. His wagon has grown primarly at deadline, and many of the people on it have used "It's deadline and we need a lynch" reasoning. If Xyzzy turns out town (or scum), the fact that his wagon was provoked by the deadline would cloud any analysis of it. However, we already have a Paradox wagon up to L-1 that happened under normal circumstances.

Xyzzy: When did you name claim before, was it in pre-game?

[Xtoxm]

Mystery role is such an easy claim.

Do you think Guardian would put one in the game?

Guardian, you play/played IRC mafia?

[shaft.ed]

vote Rogueben

jumping onto a wagon after pretty much lurking throughout the day.

If you look at his vote pattern it's very much the path of least resistance:
Xtoxm, para, xyzzy.

Smells scummy to me.

[shaft.ed]

Mystery role is such an easy claim.

Do you think Guardian would put one in the game?

Guardian, you play/played IRC mafia?

I have a mystery role as well.