Enigma Mi Game Thread : Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

Hi, I'm here.

Vote: Scotmany

I like my vote. ^_^

Hi. Sorry for not being here, catching up later.

vote mike o'malley

on a hunch

[Guardian]

1) Yosarian2 has to be lying if scot isn't scum.
2) Scum lying in some kind of gambit day 1 is retarded.
3) Yosarian2 would not lie as town.
4) Yosarian2 is not retarded.
5) Yosarian2 is either retarded lying scum, lying town, or truth telling town.
6) Two of the above conflict with assumptions, therefor Yosarian2 is truth telling town.
7) If Yosarian2 is telling the truth, scotmany12 must be scum.

>>>

Lynch scot.

[scotmany12]

That's not true Guardian. Both of us can be telling the truth. You are going to lynch me, then lynch yos tomorrow, most likely leading to two mislynches right off the back. We can both be telling the truth. As I said, If i killed her, it doesn't make me scum. And if you are saying that me not knowing if this occurred, then go talk to the mod. Seriously Guardian, you have tunnel-visioned this whole situation.

[Guardian]

I'm also being significantly lazy in not re-reading and scum hunting. Several people aren't even posting though, and that makes things tough :\.

Scot, if not you, then who?

[scotmany12]

Just thinking right now without even reading or anything, BeepBeep or Mike O'Malley come to mind.

[The Jester]

Why BeepBeep? I know why Mike, but not sure on Beepbeep.

Actually, Mike hasn't really helped that much.

Vote: Mike

Not contributing, and a no reason vote on Scot.

I'm not sure on Scot from what Guardian has said, and I feel Mike seems more concrete then Scot.

[neko2086]

Guardian, the problem with the Scot situation is that we have two

incomplete

sides of a complicated story. I've stated this before, but I don't think we can make a lynch today solely based on this information. Scum-hunting should be the source of today's lynch, and if we get a sufficient amount of information tomorrow, then we can discuss it.

Mike hasn't been helpful yet, true, but he hasn't really done anything particularly scummy as far as I can see.

Beep Beep, I can see somewhat due to her willingness to "sacrifice" Scot when we have ample time to discuss the situation.

I am still less than impressed by Creampuffeater's involvement in the game, but, as Guardian said, it becomes difficult to scumhunt when everyone's not here. Have we found a replacement for pianogwen, for instance?

Scot, what is it about Beep Beep and Mike that lead you to think they might be good lynch candidates?

[undo]

Why BeepBeep? I know why Mike, but not sure on Beepbeep.

Actually, Mike hasn't really helped that much.

Vote: Mike

Not contributing, and a no reason vote on Scot.

I'm not sure on Scot from what Guardian has said, and I feel Mike seems more concrete then Scot.

Forgot me already?

Your suspicions are very inconsistent and fickle.

Vote: The Jester

[The Jester]

I didn't vote you awhile ago, it was an FoS.

Reasons on Mike are more consistent and scummy then my suspicions on you, hence he has a vote and you got an FoS.

Read before you post, kthxbye.

[undo]

I don't see how your suspicions on Mike are more consistent than your suspicions on me. About Mike you said this:

Not contributing, and a no reason vote on Scot

About me you said this:

Having secrets could mean a lot of things, are we to assume that the three NPCs that were dead didn't have secrets of their own? If Scot killed her, why? If we don't know, then voting him wouldn't be good.

I feel the most suspicious right now is Undo.

Reasons: Undo's "Why don't we massclaim, then?"

If Skruffs said based off flavor you'd likely be wrong, then why suggest mass-claim? Horrible idea, and giving mafia names to piece together some strategy? Later Undo even repeated what Skruffs said. So, why would he suggest mass-claim after knowing it would be unhelpful and actually hurtful?

What if I am curious to know the roles of everyone else?

You're not being pro-town.

"Do you think it was really necessary to semi-claim like that?

Anyway, the flavour about Baxter Johnson you described matches mine somewhat, so my votes stays on scotmany12."

Scot posted above Undo 4 minutes before, so his post apparently didn't change his reasons for keeping his vote. "It matches mine somewhat" Yet a few minutes later you say.

Just seen this. Made me hesitate.

Hmm... Unvote

I need to think about this better."

Why would he unvote over that? Compared to Undo's strong reason to keep a vote, that made him unvote?

His vote post on Scot:

IMHO, scotmany12 is taking things too seriously. The purpose of votes and bandwagons in the early day 1 is mainly to gather information, not to immediately lynch scum. I don't like scotmany12 reaction, he is too worried with the sake of town, and he unnecessarily uses many 'insulting' words ("stupid", "retarded", "bullshit"). It really looks like scum trying to look townish. Like, 'Oh my God, a bandwagon is retarded and stupid, and it doesn't help the town at all. I am town, I want to help the town. No bandwagons, that's bullshit'.

It is a good strategy, scotmany12, but you used it too early.

Vote: scotmany12

What was the strategy? I'm confused on this, it feels overdone, and he didn't show where Scot did these supposed things.

FOS: Undo

So?

BTW, I've never said you had voted me. Read before you post, kthxbye.

[Rosso Carne]

kthx. still kinda happy, even thought hte wagon has died a bit.

[neko2086]

Rosso, can you elaborate on what you're happy about? We haven't actually gotten much contribution from you so far.

Are you referring to this:

yeah, id HAMMAH!

after Yos' vote on pg 5?

Your thoughts on the game would be appreciated now that you're back.

[Beep! Beep!]

Meta on Mike: Read Worse Idea Mafia please. You can read the whole game in 3 minutes. He basically lurked his way to victory. Now, I'm not complaining, because he was, after all, my scumbuddy.

Therefore I'm particularly well placed to notice his lurkstrategy.

vote: Mike O'Malley

- I'm on to you, Mike.

[Rosso Carne]

i really just feel like focussing on yossy's claim. even if he were to abandon it i wont, it seems solid. ill get a better read once scotty is forced to claim. kthx.

[Greasy Spot]

GHave we found a replacement for pianogwen, for instance?

You were the first person to welcome when I replace in for pianogwen. How soon people forget me.

i really just feel like focussing on yossy's claim. even if he were to abandon it i wont, it seems solid. ill get a better read once scotty is forced to claim. kthx.

I guess you have been gone a long time. Scot has claimed(or rather been called out). It's Yosarians claim that keeps changing every couple of posts. He can't make up his mind.

unvote; vote: Yosarian2

[neko2086]

Meta on Mike: Read Worse Idea Mafia please. You can read the whole game in 3 minutes. He basically lurked his way to victory. Now, I'm not complaining, because he was, after all, my scumbuddy.

Therefore I'm particularly well placed to notice his lurkstrategy.

vote: Mike O'Malley

- I'm on to you, Mike.

I did read it when it was going on since it was a fascinating and bizarre set-up, but that's the problem with that meta. It's such a different set-up, I'm not sure his behavior in that game is in any way telling of his usual playstyle. That is the only other game he's ever played, though, so there is no counterexample to say that you're wrong. He is lurking something fierce right now, so focusing on his play in this particular game, I would be inclined to agree with you.

i really just feel like focussing on yossy's claim. even if he were to abandon it i wont, it seems solid. ill get a better read once scotty is forced to claim. kthx.

To me, it seems to be lacking some significant details. We do not know for sure what role Baxter(scot) played in the death of Marissa. We know he struck her on the head, and we know her car ran into a tree and she died while heavily intoxicated. There is a

significant

piece of information linking those two events that we are lacking. Until we get more information, all we can do is speculate, and at this stage of the game, I think it's incredibly dangerous to do so. If you disagree, please explain why.

[Beep! Beep!]

I believe Yosarian is being truthful.

I believe scotmany12 may be truthful, and should be given the benefit of the doubt, especially on Day 1.

I want to lynch Mike.

[ooba]

Meta on Mike: Read Worse Idea Mafia please. You can read the whole game in 3 minutes. He basically lurked his way to victory. Now, I'm not complaining, because he was, after all, my scumbuddy.

Therefore I'm particularly well placed to notice his lurkstrategy.

vote: Mike O'Malley

- I'm on to you, Mike.

I was in this game and i can vouch for this ..

I believe Yos2 and i'm willing to give scot the benefit of the doubt here ..

I'd also like to see mike contribute more ..

Vote : Mike O'Maley

[Skruffs]

The Day's Third Vote Count!

Just keeping on top of things!

scotmany12 (5) - (creampuffeater, Mike O' Malley, neko2086, Yosarian2, Guardian)
Mike O Malley (5) - (The Goat,

curiouskarmadog, The Jester, Beep! Beep!, ooba

)

The Goat (1) - (Rosso Carne)
The Jester (1) - (

undo

)
Yosarian2 (1) -(

Greasy Spot

)

neko2086 (0) - (

ooba

)
Creampuffeater (0) - (

Greasy spot

)
FrankyPeanuts (0) - (

The Jester

)
Undo (0) – (

curiouskarmadog

)

Not Voting (5): (skitzer, FrankyPeanuts, Killa Seven, (

bird2234

Imat

), scotmany12)

BIRD2234 is replaced by IMAT, pending Imat's confirmation, after Bird2234 failed to pick up a prod after 5 days.

[neko2086]

Well, considering the options, I certainly favor a Mike lynch over a scot lynch at this point. We do not have enough info on either scot or yos to say that either is scum based on flavor. Based on gameplay, Mike is a much better lynch candidate. If he would like to contribute to this game and be helpful, I may reconsider.

vote: Mike O Malley

Btw, sorry Greasy! I forgot you were her replacement.

[Guardian]

fos: Mike

I definitely would like to hear from you, and as mod of Worse Idea Mafia, I definitely know you successfully lurked to a win there.

Mike, who do you find suspicious?

[killa seven]

who is David Alderton?

[Yosarian2]

I guess you have been gone a long time. Scot has claimed(or rather been called out). It's Yosarians claim that keeps changing every couple of posts. He can't make up his mind.

I never changed my claim. I didn't reveal all the details right away, for reasons that should be obveous, but I never lied or contradicted myself in any way.

Look at how it turned out. First I directly asked Scot if my rolename result for him was correct, and he confirmed that. Then I accused him of killing Marissa, and as he was blindsided by that, he totally denied knowing anything about it. Note how he reacted, though; he didn't accuse me of lying or deny that I was telling the truth, probably because he knew that I was town and knew that a Yos lynch would prove I was town, which would doom him the next day if he took that tack. Instead, he tried to offer incresingly unlikely reasons for why he might have killed her but didn't know he killed her, and trying to do some real hair splitting "I didn't kill her, but even if I did, killing her is not the same as murdering her!" and "If I did kill her, that dosn't make me scum" and that kind of stuff. He's very careful to not accuse me of anything, because he knows that would backfire; he's probably now wishing he hadn't denied it in the first place, but it's too late for him to back away from that now.

Now, if I had given everything away right away, I believe he would have tried to work some story around it that put him in the best possible light, instead of just denying everything. Instead, I put him in a position where if he was scum he would paint himself in a corner, and he has. We've got him.

[skitzer]

Mike does seem like a likely scum for his faulty posting. I'd like to hear from him before I vote.

[scotmany12]

I see that Mike has not posted anywhere since his last post in this game. I think if anything we should wait for a replacement for him. In fact, mod please prod Mike. That's all for now.