petroleumjelly wrote:Claiming that it "might help scum who to nightkill" is 100% bullshit; yes, of course it might do that, but more importantly it lets townspeople get reads on other townspeople as well as scum. Every single opinion helps
both
the town and the scum make 'more informed decisions'; live with it. The difference is scum don't need to have information to kill somebody who is not in their group, whereas the town
does
.
I disagree. Some opinions help the mafia much more than the town. More to the point, opinions given in response to questions are more help to the asker than they are to anyone else -- presumably there was some reasoning behind the specific questions you asked and who you asked them of. You've made no attempt to explain these, or even mention if they were done randomly. You've made no attempt to convince anyone that your particular set of questions would be beneficial for the town to discuss, other than generic increased participation -- on the whole a very good thing, but we have plenty of legitimate things to discuss that make many of your requests a distraction at best. If you think there's a mathcam-BM or mathcam-Slay partnership, then make your case and the town can analyze and I can respond. If you're wondering if I have strong pro-town or pro-scum vibes from them, I've already told you that I would tell you if there were anything I found relevant and appropriate to share. It's not like I'm sitting on a treasure trove of scum partnerships that I'm keeping secret from everyone because I like prolonging the suspense.
PJ wrote:
mathcam is absolutely not justified in not giving his opinion.
I've given my opinion on several things, those things that have arisen in the natural context of discussion, or things that I think I have noticed that the town should know. I haven't given my opinion on some specific things that I haven't found particularly relevant and haven't been convinced of otherwise.
PJ wrote: In fact, if he does not have his analyses done by the time I return from Arizona, I will make it my sworn duty to attack him at every turn in an attempt to lynch him.
You are obviously welcome to do this, but it's a pretty poor play to make a policy lynch rather than lynch a likely found scum whose gone in to hiding since he's been outed. On the other hand, I can understand the temptation to let meta-forces take over -- in addition to the aforementioned arguments, I have to admit at least a little that I'm not responding because you're being rather insulting. Maybe you don't care, as you're fond of pointing out, about any of this, but if you're really interested in finding scum, then maybe you should start caring about the fact that being a dick doesn't get us there any faster.
PJ wrote:what is my agenda? What nefarious deed to you accuse me of plotting by asking people to give opinions?
Well, you're doing a pretty good job of distracting the conversation from CKD, what I consider to be our currently most pressing topic. What time you've spent on the CKD topic has been mostly aimed at deciding whether or not he actually bread-crumbed something, which seems clear to me (and I thought to you as well). I'm not saying I necessarily believe in a CKD-PJ scum pairing, and I'd probably put you as town if I had to make a call this very instant based on your seemingly genuine breakdown, but you act as if there's no way anyone could find anything you've ever done scummy. This is quite simply not the case.
PJ wrote:If you would like confirmation that I have a precedent of doing this, look no further than my newbie games
So what?? If you want precedent for me not taking orders in games, I can give you that as well. I suspect that won't have any bearing on whether or not you find my refusal to participate as scummy.
PJ wrote:CKD, please link me to past games where you have breadcrumbed your role, as well as any games where you falsely breadcrumbed as scum. I would like to compare them to this game.
Oh, come on. This is the most ridiculous request yet, as evidenced by the fact that you've got me to stick up for someone I think is likely scum. The other players in this game do not have even the slightest responsibility to satisfy your every informational whim. This is a game, not a job.
Cam
