Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

[Patrick]

Too short of time right now unfortunately to comment on Guardian's suspicions, but I'll just make a few points about his defences:

I'm not sure what I can say about C_O posting infrequently and without much substance. Those are just scummy things to do, and I can't defend them. However, someone posited that that was consistent with his scum meta -- is it inconsitent with his town meta? He might just always be a scummy lurker.

I've played with him once as town. In that game I recall him being fairly lurkerish, but also less vague/wishy washy and less opportunistic with his suspects. I'll recheck that when I get the time, but I remember it didn't sway me when I decided to place my vote on him yesterday.

Then there is the subject of the manner in which he claimed. Really, I can't fault him for that. Checking in and claiming seems like a reasonable thing to do, as was not claiming until the last possible moment. Until a couple of hours before deadline, it seemed that he would not have to claim -- and no one, especially power roles, should claim unless they have to.

Personally as a cop, I'd have claimed the minute Xyl switched his vote to put me and opie at 5 apiece, if I thought there was any chance I wouldn't be around later, though maybe that's partly playstyle. I would assuredly not leave it until 5 minutes before unless I were scum. Note ChaosOmega himself admits he should have claimed earlier.

As for why he left the game and needed replacement -- I don't know the answer. I think the mod said the timer on his prod expired, right? His being replaced might have little to do with the in game situation, considering that. I don't think it is fair to assume that he left because he was being attacked. Even if he left because he was being attacked, I've seen players do that as town before. I don't think his exit is nearly as suspicious as his play day 1.

Well, we know he's been around, both from his posts on site and the fact that he picked up his prod. So he hasn't disappeared. Given that he hasn't requested replacement in other games, it's fair to say he hasn't had any kind of crisis that forced him to leave. So whilst we can't know for certain, I find it reasonably likely that his lack of motivation to do anything today is because he was scum.

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Votecount #38

Guardian - 2 (Erg0, Oman)

Oman - 1 (Incognito)
Matt_S- 1 (Guardian)

Not voting - 5 (Matt_S, Xylthixlm, Patrick, Jitsu, Adel)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D2: Friday April 5, 11:30AM GMT+10
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[Adel]

So whilst we can't know for certain, I find it reasonably likely that his lack of motivation to do anything today is because he was scum.

Somehow I find reasonably likely that he was a cop and was like "well, I'm fucked" and gave up.

Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.

vote:matt_S

[Xylthixlm]

Is that a serious vote, or are you trying to generate reactions again?

[Adel]

oh, and something I sould point out, despite my standard scummy play I've never been lynched as scum, and I've only been lynched once out of my last 10 completed games. In fact, out of the six times I've been lynched, ABR was pushed my wagon four of those times as part of a revenge fantasy he was acting out. I'm damned hard to lynch, as this game points out. MoS and Adele were not able to lynch me. In the post-game MoS claims that he thought that I was his scum buddy, but I don't believe that.

[Jitsu]

Is that a serious vote, or are you trying to generate reactions again?

@Adel: That's exactly what I want to know. Was the declaration to let Guardian direct your vote a gambit to gain information? Is your vote on Matt_S for real?

[Adel]

did I not format it correctly or something?

here, let me try again:

unvote, vote: Matt_S

there, that should make it a real vote.

[Jitsu]

I'll ask again: Was the declaration to let Guardian direct your vote a gambit to gain information?

[Jitsu]

Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this.

[Adel]

Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this.

if over half of the players ask for it I will provide it.

[Patrick]

Somehow I find reasonably likely that he was a cop and was like "well, I'm fucked" and gave up.

It's possible given how lazy he seems to be. A cop would obviously have much more motivation to post than a scumbag though.

I'm not interested in lynching Matt_S today.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this.

Seconded, after seeing the last post.

[Erg0]

/third. Also not going for a Matt_S lynch. Adel, you need to stop pointing out your own meta.

[Matt_S]

/third. Also not going for a Matt_S lynch. Adel, you need to stop pointing out your own meta.

Is it legal for me to third this? Adel blindly following Guardian seems oddly different from being the leader day 1.

Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.

I thought it was the opposite. Or am I forgetting something?

[Xylthixlm]

Let me put this another way.

Adel, do you agree that if you later say your vote on Matt_S was not serious, we should lynch you?

[Matt_S]

Note: My post above should say fourth. I can count sort of.

[Erg0]

hmph, I never felt that I was a scummy player, I just take risks sometimes.

...despite my standard scummy play...

Which is it?

[Adel]

/third. Also not going for a Matt_S lynch. Adel, you need to stop pointing out your own meta.

Is it legal for me to third this? Adel blindly following Guardian seems oddly different from being the leader day 1.

Like I said earlier, if opie isn't scum then matt_s must be.

I thought it was the opposite. Or am I forgetting something?

Actually it is probably most like my behavior towards ABR in Open 61 -- Friends and Enemies, if you want an accurate meta read on me take a look at it.

[Adel]

Adel, do you agree that if you later say your vote on Matt_S was not serious, we should lynch you?

unless he is mafia and Guardian really is a Sk, then yes. In my opinion it is a sincere vote.

[Erg0]

I think I know what you're thinking and if you're thinking what I think you're thinking then you're probably wrong. Even if you're right, you're going about things in the wrong order.

[Adel]

i think you may be right, but only with the former but not the latter. it will work out, you'll see.

[Erg0]

You'll forgive me for not accepting "trust me" as a reason after the events of day 1.

[Xylthixlm]

Erg0, what do you think of Oman? I noticed that he said you have a good read on him.

[Erg0]

I think Oman's probably scum, but it's not based on the tells I've used on him previously (which largely revolved around the extent to which he buddied up to me). I probably shouldn't have told him what those were. Things haven't changed too much from what I said here, and opie coming up town somewhat reinforces that theory.

[Matt_S]

So Erg0, are we just stuck in the dark on what Adel is trying to do? Could you say what you think Adel's thinking?

[Adel]

hmph, I never felt that I was a scummy player, I just take risks sometimes.

...despite my standard scummy play...

Which is it?

whatever you want to call it, it is the same one I used in my last seven games as town. I won in five of those games.

[Erg0]

So Erg0, are we just stuck in the dark on what Adel is trying to do? Could you say what you think Adel's thinking?

I'd rather Adel explain it herself - I could be completely wrong. I'll put my theory forward if she won't explain.