Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[Mulch]

Anyway here are the things I didn't like about them.

1) They haven't been TOWNY.


2) 619- I feel like their reads on me and acid could be fabricated. I'm not sure, though.

I think Una and Dunker are scum, their posts seem to be less "hey look, there's scum" and more "Hey [insert player here], I think you're right"

This line is legitimately a lie. Dunker has been going around saying everyone is scum. Also, it's not rock solid evidence, but Dunker is often pushed as scum when he is town, he is lynchbait.

Anyway I decided to ask for their reasoning on why I was town and they just ignored it--620.


Then, their scumread in 648 made no sense to me, although I don't often see scum 180ing their reads like that. It;s just such an easy thing to push me on, when it is something really NAI. I mean, I can see town thinking this, but I can also see scum doing this. So there is a possibility for scum motiviation here.

I ask ANOTHER follow up in 650 and still no response.

I disliked 699 his read on NK15 seemed shallow.


And finally 818 made it seem like they knew Massive was town and was trying to setup a lynch on me aftewards.

[Mulch]

Because that's EXACTLY what a mafia would do. They breed fear among many to cause dissent and mislynch.

Why woulden't a town do it?

Breed fear among town? Because that's so anti-town that's not even funny. Making factions is never a good townie idea. They shouldn't need to.

Uh... why not? Why shoulden't I use fear to get my scumreads lynched?

[Mulch]

Lack of proof = no reason for scumread.
No reason for scumread = pressure test or scum mislynch

Nobody has proof in mafia. Some people have REASONS. Sometimes a reason can be as simple as, I don't townread them.

[mozamis]

But James, TAKE AN ARIAL SNAPSHOT. Maybe Mulch is making mistakes, maybe not, maybe he is being really pro town, maybe not.
BUT SCUM DONT NORMALLY PLAY LIKEHIM. SCUM ARE LOOKING AT YOU TWO ARGUING. SCUM LIK ETO BE IN THE SHADOWS, NOT OUT IN THE OPEN. NOT ARGUING THE TOSS.



STOP THE TOEN VERSUS TOWN JERK OFF, YOU'VE BOTH GOT HUGE DICKS, WE GET IT!

[James Brafin]

Because that's EXACTLY what a mafia would do. They breed fear among many to cause dissent and mislynch.

Why woulden't a town do it?

Breed fear among town? Because that's so anti-town that's not even funny. Making factions is never a good townie idea. They shouldn't need to.

Uh... why not? Why shoulden't I use fear to get my scumreads lynched?

Now we're in a circular argument. YOU DON'T MAKE FEAR BECAUSE IT IS ANTI-TOWN. And Anti-town, in my opinion, is only one step away from scummy.

[Not Known 15]

MOZ, BOON, MULCH, DUNKER, MASSIVE, NOTKNOW, BRAFFIN PROB TOWN.

Acid and Ras pos. town

Scum in: Fykus, Assembles, Xnand, Carc, Pisskop, Kamin,Texcat, Unabom, Wavemode

That may not look great, but assuming Acid and ras are town, that's prob. 4 scum out of 9, almost 50/50 chance of hitting scum, which Day 1 is pretty good.

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Is it really a good idea to assume that your wagon, which consisted of 3 votes without reasoning, and was a counterwagon, was fully made up by town?

[James Brafin]

But James, TAKE AN ARIAL SNAPSHOT. Maybe Mulch is making mistakes, maybe not, maybe he is being really pro town, maybe not.
BUT SCUM DONT NORMALLY PLAY LIKEHIM. SCUM ARE LOOKING AT YOU TWO ARGUING. SCUM LIK ETO BE IN THE SHADOWS, NOT OUT IN THE OPEN. NOT ARGUING THE TOSS.



STOP THE TOEN VERSUS TOWN JERK OFF, YOU'VE BOTH GOT HUGE DICKS, WE GET IT!

Whoa, dude. Chill. All I'm saying is that he's using AoR, and that looks bad.

[Mulch]

And Anti-town, in my opinion, is only one step away from scummy.

This is wrong. Also, creating fear to get a scumread lynched isn't anti-town

[Not Known 15]

Ok. Now that I actually see your reasoning in post925, Mulch...
I have to agree with it.
VOTE: XnadrojX

[James Brafin]

Anyway here are the things I didn't like about them.

1) They haven't been TOWNY.


2) 619- I feel like their reads on me and acid could be fabricated. I'm not sure, though.

I think Una and Dunker are scum, their posts seem to be less "hey look, there's scum" and more "Hey [insert player here], I think you're right"

This line is legitimately a lie. Dunker has been going around saying everyone is scum. Also, it's not rock solid evidence, but Dunker is often pushed as scum when he is town, he is lynchbait.

Anyway I decided to ask for their reasoning on why I was town and they just ignored it--620.


Then, their scumread in 648 made no sense to me, although I don't often see scum 180ing their reads like that. It;s just such an easy thing to push me on, when it is something really NAI. I mean, I can see town thinking this, but I can also see scum doing this. So there is a possibility for scum motiviation here.

I ask ANOTHER follow up in 650 and still no response.

I disliked 699 his read on NK15 seemed shallow.


And finally 818 made it seem like they knew Massive was town and was trying to setup a lynch on me aftewards.

Okay. On 619, I can see your concern. But on 620, he may have just missed it.
I actually agree with Xnad on this; that does seem like a mighty middle finger point to me, to be deliberately confusing, and is a little scummy. But I'm not sure why he didn't respond to that one. As for 699, I'm not ggod enough to determine whether it was shallow or not, and 818 looked like he was jumping on the bandwagon. That's all. Oh and by the way, you ARE the bandwagon now. Just so you know.

[James Brafin]

No, now Xand is, now that NK15 has posted.

[mozamis]

Is it really a good idea to assume that your wagon, which consisted of 3 votes without reasoning, and was a counterwagon, was fully made up by town?

COULD BE. WHO REALLY KNOWS AT THIS STAGE? They just look town to me.
Town get on the wrong wagons, and vote without reasoning the whole time.

[Mulch]

More importantly, what towny things have they done. NONE.

[Mulch]

NK15 and James you will learn in time how to read better. I'm not even that good, and moz isn't a god, but we both have a lot more experience with this stuff than you do. Logic isn't always the best way to determine reads.

[Not Known 15]

One more thing: If XnadrojX is town, and massive later shows as scum, then take a look at Fykus who was the first one to move away from massive, and that was before massive claimed.

[James Brafin]

More importantly, what towny things have they done. NONE.

I wouldn't know on that point. I haven't been here long enough.
With all that being said, I do think your argument may be valid.
VOTE: XnadrojX
But for future reference, you should NEVER EVER EVER try AoR. That is what got me on your case. It looks SO anti-town, it is not even funny, regardless of your intention.

[James Brafin]

We've had claims?

[James Brafin]

What did Massive claim?

[James Brafin]

Has anyone else claimed? What the heck have I missed?

[James Brafin]

Kay, I found it. That's... interesting. Not really sure what to make of that.

[James Brafin]

I think I'm going to look at the 6+ pages and try to scum read a few. Unless someone has an issue with that.

[Dunkerdoodles]

sorry haven't posted much recently
anything you want from me?

[Mulch]

A vote on Xandroj

[Dunkerdoodles]

no
moz and mulch are so scummy please lynch one of them

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Mozamis

Not Jordan.