Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

[Erg0]

A cop claim makes sense for mafia because they know who's guilty and who's innocent. Thus, it is easy to fake investigation results to appear sane. An SK claiming cop has no way of knowing whether any given player is guilty or innocent, thus they would have to be banking on being able to get away with claiming a wrong result and selling it as a sanity issue.

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Votecount #36

Oman - 2 (Incognito, Adel)

ChaosOmega - 1 (Erg0)

Not voting - 6 (Matt_S, ChaosOmega, Xylthixlm, Patrick, Jitsu, Oman)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D2: Friday April 5, 11:30AM GMT+10
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[Xylthixlm]

I missed something. Why are we considering the possibility that ChaosOmega is a SK?

[Erg0]

Because if he is then we can potentially eliminate one nightkill by lynching him today rather than waiting until tomorrow.

[Oman]

I know I'm the other option, but I think CO should be lynched today, simply 'cause you should lynch scum ON SIGHT. And this terrible claim looks like scum to me.

[Adel]

mod: what is the status of the Chaos Omega prod?

vote: Chaos_Omega

[Oman]

After Adel voted I went back over the last votecount. Why am I not voting CO?

Vote Caos_Omega

[vollkan]

mod: what is the status of the Chaos Omega prod?

His prod was sent and picked up over 48 hours ago. Thus, I am now seeking replacement

[Oman]

Confirm Vote Chaos

Would a cop go all lurky after he is caught out?

Would lynch all lurkers let me walk away? No!

[Jitsu]

A cop claim makes sense for mafia because they know who's guilty and who's innocent. Thus, it is easy to fake investigation results to appear sane. An SK claiming cop has no way of knowing whether any given player is guilty or innocent, thus they would have to be banking on being able to get away with claiming a wrong result and selling it as a sanity issue.

Assuming CO is scum, and I think he is, then he had to do something to save himself, whether Mafia or SK. I think he just claimed something that would get him through the night -- I doubt he had already figured out his plans for Day 2 at that point.

I think it is unlikely that CO claimed with the intention of being an insane cop. If he were SK, he could have just claimed an appropriate result on someone that got NK'd. A correct doc protect could have totally screwed him if nobody ended up dying, but an SK would have had much less to worry about, as he could claim a result on his own kill if the mafia kill were blocked, and could have claimed a result on the mafia kill if his were prevented. After seeing a Watcher and Tracker come up from the NKs (which neither a scum nor an SK could have predicted), he could have seen the unbelievability of three investigation roles, and just switched his "sane" result to an "insane" one. Now, the SK would have to continue to do this or guess a correct result on someone not killed to keep staying alive, but even the slim chance of pulling that off had to beat getting lynched on Day 1.

A Mafia knowing Guardian to be innocent could have done the same thing, switching the planned result to the opposite one because of the role reveals from the dawn post.

[Jitsu]

Because if he is then we can potentially eliminate one nightkill by lynching him today rather than waiting until tomorrow.

True. But even though I just made a post that explained why ChaosOmega could be an SK, I'm not convinced that he is. An SK needs to survive to win, and lurking all day on Day 1 just does not sound like a good way to do that. I think it would be easy for the town AND mafia to attack him for lurking.

I will keep an open mind about the second killer, but at this point, I'm still guessing it is more likely to be a SK than a Vig.

[Patrick]

I missed something. Why are we considering the possibility that ChaosOmega is a SK?

Is there some reason we shouldn't be?

[vollkan]

Guardian replaces ChaosOmega, effective immediately.

Give a big, warm welcome back to Guardian

[Oman]

Hai guardian.

Die guardian.

[Patrick]

Second time lucky Incog

[Guardian]

Hey guys. I'm baaack.

My mind is blown. I was expecting to replace back in and try and distance with scum partners or whatever, and then self hammer.

However, I'm really a cop.

I PM'd vollkan, and -- you guessed it -- my sanity is not guaranteed . C_O investigated old me night 0, can't for the life of me say why, but he did, and he did get a guilty result.

I'm going to have to re-read this whole fucking game, I continued to read after dying, and I was like 99% sure Chaos was scum. I was wondering why you guys were dithering about and not lynching the obv obv obv scum.

Anyways, try not to lynch me before I get a chance to re-read.

Don't let someone get by with hammering me before I do.

[Incognito]

Second time lucky Incog

LOL! I told you guys Guardian was scum!

I'll give him a chance to read and provide some thoughts before deciding what to do with my vote.

[Jitsu]

Guardian is a saint for replacing ChaosOmega at this point.

I too want to hear what he has to say. Given how much trouble ChaosOmega was in, it ought to be interesting.

[Xylthixlm]

Guardian is a saint for replacing ChaosOmega at this point.

I too want to hear what he has to say. Given how much trouble ChaosOmega was in, it ought to be interesting.

QFT

[Adel]

LOL! I told you guys Guardian was scum!

exactly. We were right, just a little early.

[Matt_S]

This is a fairly hilarious turn of events. The confirmed townie is now the insane scumcop

[Adel]

based on guardian's last post i now feel that he is the sk

[Matt_S]

based on guardian's last post i now feel that he is the sk

I have to ask. What about his post makes him seem more likely to be a serial killer?

[Erg0]

I'd guess it's because he didn't go with the approach of distancing and self-hammering, and is instead trying to keep himself alive in a seemingly hopeless situation.

[Adel]

he replaced in thinking that he would be mafia, and walk away from a "2 dead power roles from night 1" disaster for the town with one win and one loss.

On the other hand, Guardian is hella good at identifying scum,
so I'm willing to

unvote

and let him direct my vote for this day:
I will vote for whomever he votes for (save myself) and if we don't
lynch scum, we'll lynch Guardian tomorrow. If there are two deaths
tonight unless one of them is mafia, we will lynch Guardian tomorrow.

heh, I just thought of a bastard mod role:

bastard mod cop/vig role pm

You are a cop. Each night you can investigate another player by sending me a name via PM.
You win with the town

mod note

Player is really a paranoid-cop and vig. He both kills, and gets a "guilty" on each player he investigates.

[Erg0]

So you'd like to give Guardian a couple of free potshots before we lynch him?