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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:01 pm

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Paradoxombie[4] (NabakovNabakov, Adel, shaft.ed)
Adel[2] (Xtoxm, Paradoxombie)
Xtoxm[1] (hasdgfas)
xyzzy[1] (Rogueben)

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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:15 pm

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Para's reasons for a mass rolename claim are reasonable, but after reading what Cicero wrote and thinking about it, I don't think it is worth it.

Para's reasons for the claim were fairly optimistic (the idea of scum appearing to mimic). I think it's probably more likely that a mass rolename claim would not have such a potent effect.

For that reason, the potential for a serious information leak that Cicero raises needs to take priority.
Lawrencelot wrote: I don't support it, and I'm not against it. I wouldn't mind mass rolename claiming, but only if everybody or a majority agrees to do it. Now I clearly know that you and NabNab are against it, and Rogueben wants to wait, we shouldn't nameclaim (yet).
What do you think of the potential risks vs potential benefits of the proposal?
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:39 am

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xyzzy seems to be lurking a lot. I don't like that...
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:04 am

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OK, I'm still playing with the extra vote.
unvote vote: xyzzy


@Lawrencelot could you please vote for Xtoxm to see if either of us is a double voter?

I don't see any major harm or any major benefit in claiming whether or not our rolenames have anything to do with our roles. Guess it would generate discussion.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:05 am

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@Paradoxombie: I could have sworn you said something about your role affecting your desire to massclaim, but I can't find it now. I might have just been seeing a phantom. (If you want evidence that this isn't a new development, check the end of my post 17, I must have read something in that quote that wasn't there).

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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:06 am

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I'm getting bored with the Paradoxombie wagon. Was that the plan? I either need more meat or another resturant to eat at. Ceasing to mix metaphores may help.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:12 am

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What do you think of the potential risks vs potential benefits of the proposal?
Risk: the people who's rolenames have something to do with their role, might cause powerroles to be revealed. Benefit: if scum don't have safeclaims, we might be able to see who's claim does not match everyone else's. Or if we're really good we can see who's mimicking.

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So, what does everyone think about the notice? I think it could be someone's day power, or maybe these things trigger after certain (amounts of) posts or time.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:20 am

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Da Rules wrote: 10. Each period of Day will have a deadline of ~3 weeks, possibly less as the game progresses. There will be no extensions. A deadline is a deadline, so talk while you can.
Gamestart ~1 week ago

Also, does anybody remember this one?
Da Rules wrote: 9.75. The role name Harry Potter or any derivation thereof is assigned to a player with the alignment of pro-town.
Or should we be paying more attention to Page 1?
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 am

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Hmm, forgotenn compeltely about that.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:12 pm

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I'm feel the need to mention that I didn't advocate a nameclaim originally, and I didn't especially advocate one now. I simply have no problem with one, and won't accept poor reasoning against it. I say this because I feel like someone will try to blame me if something does go wrong, since it may appear that I'm arguing intensely for it.
vollkan wrote: Para's reasons for the claim were fairly optimistic (the idea of scum appearing to mimic). I think it's probably more likely that a mass rolename claim would not have such a potent effect.
You say cicero convinced you, yet his arguments are just as pessimistic as mine are optimistic, if not moreso. I mean how likely is a role which can do something once they know your role name?(as cicero suggested)
vollkan wrote: For that reason, the potential for a serious information leak that Cicero raises needs to take priority.
I'll bring up the point once again, but couldn't anybody whose name had to do with they're role simply tell us this? I don't get why people have to worry for them when we aren't sure they exist. Though I guess scum could lie and say their's did.(not that I'll assume that)


This rule 9.75 intrigues me, but the number of people who requested a bastardly game has made me extremely wary of trusting everything the Mod says. It's the best argument against a nameclaim so far, imo, but I'd still be willing to proceed.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:16 pm

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Hmm. Well, my anme has nothing to do with Harry Potter.

Perhaps stuff to do with Harry Potter is the scum?
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:15 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:Hmm. Well, my anme has nothing to do with Harry Potter.

Perhaps stuff to do with Harry Potter is the scum?
Why do you insist on dropping hints?
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:40 pm

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I'm trying to help town figure out the scum.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:47 pm

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a mass rolename claim would've been better before hint started getting dropped.

unvote, vote:Xtoxm


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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:49 pm

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Still happy with my vote on Adel.
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:00 pm

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Adel, I understand your want to actually play mafia and all, but could you wait until after the next votecount? By then we'll know if Lawrence or I have a double vote.
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:04 pm

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Voll wrote:
Para wrote: Para's reasons for the claim were fairly optimistic (the idea of scum appearing to mimic). I think it's probably more likely that a mass rolename claim would not have such a potent effect.
You say cicero convinced you, yet his arguments are just as pessimistic as mine are optimistic, if not moreso. I mean how likely is a role which can do something once they know your role name?(as cicero suggested)
Paranoia, mainly. I don't know whether a rolename claim would actually be good or bad - but I'd rather be conservative and not take the risk, especially in this game.
Xtoxm wrote: I'm trying to help town figure out the scum.
Explain how your hint accomplishes that.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:06 pm

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How is it a hint?

I was saying that it could be that Harry Potter or similar type roles are scum.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:12 pm

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Xtoxm wrote: How is it a hint?
Because you are providing information about your rolename. Namely, that it is not Potter-related.
Xtoxm wrote: I was saying that it could be that Harry Potter or similar type roles are scum.
This doesn't make much sense. You are saying that your role is theme "X". Therefore, you think anything Harry Potter-related is potentially scummy. I don't see the logic. At most you can say "Anything not X" is potentially scummy, and even that could be stretching it.
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:13 pm

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Is your role Harry Potter, or Harry Potter related?
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:17 pm

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I'll answer this question if a majority of people wish me to do so.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:17 pm

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shaft.ed wrote:Adel, I understand your want to actually play mafia and all, but could you wait until after the next votecount? By then we'll know if Lawrence or I have a double vote.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:17 pm

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vollkan wrote:I'll answer this question if a majority of people wish me to do so.
don't answer it.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:23 pm

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Thanks Adel. And could everyone stop with the Harry Potter innuendo.

No I'm not talking about Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Bone
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:23 pm

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Adel wrote:
vollkan wrote:I'll answer this question if a majority of people wish me to do so.
don't answer it.
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