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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:53 pm

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Vote: Oman



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ChaosOmega - 1 (Erg0)

Xylthixlm - 1 (Adel)
Oman - 1 (Incognito)

Not voting - 6 (Matt_S, ChaosOmega, Xylthixlm, Patrick, Jitsu, Oman)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D2: Friday April 5, 11:30AM GMT+10
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:55 pm

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Incognito wrote:
Vote: Oman
Actually, I'll go with that.
unvote, vote:Oman
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:56 pm

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I'm by no means blaming adel for my actions.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:58 pm

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Why did you target Guardian or Pickem last night?
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:01 pm

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Adel, in that link that you provided where you were the Vig, did you strangle someone?
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:23 pm

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I strangled Battle Mage, and the mafia shot the other guy. Because of the means of death the town started talking about there being a Sk in the game. Then Guardian claimed cop with a guilty on me and I was forced to claim Vig, and the rest of the game played out to a town loss, mostly due to me vigging townies.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:36 pm

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Are we voting Oman for following opie's bandwagon all of yesterday? Or is there something else that I'm missing? If it's the latter, I'd like to be clued in.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:45 pm

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His behaviour in relation to the opie wagon is about the biggest thing I've got on him, with his fluctuating opinion on me as a contributing factor.

I think we should be lynching CO today, but I can see the value of this wagon.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:10 pm

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I am voting for Oman because of the points I've mentioned in my previous posts about him. You can do a post history of me here to see why I think Oman's play has been extremely questionable. This recent post is yet another post that just doesn't sit well with me:
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Jistu wrote:@Oman, Xylthixlm, ChaosOmega: Adel alleges that the Opie wagon was random and designed to draw out scum. What are your responses to this?
I was getting town reads off Adel, so I trusted her.
I don't think he's "blaming adel for his actions" as he mentioned in Post 802. My problem is if Oman's town, his duty and obligation is to the town. No matter what kind of read he's receiving off of someone it would still be his job to critique any arguments against someone to determine the validity of said argument. To fully trust someone (as he mentions above) is strongly anti-town.

Couple this statement with his past actions and bingo, I think Oman is scum. I'm just not receiving any sense of urgency or any sense of forcing the issue that I would expect from Oman-town. He's responding to comments within thread that are only directed to him instead of examining the actions of others (lack of scum-hunting).

ChaosOmega will likely be today's lynch. My vote just marks my belief about where we should press forward from after Day 2, ceteris paribus.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:17 pm

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ceteris paribus?

Also, it is fun to make Oman wiggle.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:17 pm

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Is that an unfamiliar phrase to you?
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:26 pm

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"all other things being equal" or whatever?

why not just say "all other things being equal" or whatever?

it is a pet peeve of mine.

You save 12 characters but you probably are outside of a decent percentage of other player's vocabulary by using that phrase. I think it is pretentious, but, you know,
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:30 pm

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Yeah, sorry, I was an Econ minor, and I've never really been able to use that phrase outside of the classroom (until now). Plus I thought it sounded cool and hoped it would help me sound smarter so that we could bring Oman to L-1.

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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:35 pm

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"as a rule men willingly believe that which they wish to "

people believe what they wish to be true, even if it is not.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:36 pm

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So Adel, is the Oman wagon another gambit?
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:40 pm

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no, I rather need him to be proved scum so that I stand a better chance of survival.

my list of priorities in this game:

1. get scum lynched
2. stay alive.
3. have fun

Between Oman and CO I bet there is something like a 80% chance of one scum and a 25% chance of two scum. I'm all for it.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:46 pm

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Adel is the person I'm having the hardest time deciding about right now. Most of her stances yesterday seemed totally off, and she did try and turn off the ChaosOmega wagon by intimidating those on it, which is bad if he's scum. I could see her gambitting as either alignment, as town exactly as she claims, as scum making all this up to try and wash her hands of her play yesterday. I don't think it was a great play if she's town, but it doesn't strike me as crazy as it was when I first read it.

Oman's play is reminding me of last time we played together, where he was scum. At this point, I wouldn't be suprised at all if ChaosOmega and Oman are scum together. Heck, I could still see the whole of Erg0's list from near the end of yesterday being correct. I'd say if ChaosOmega is mafia then Matt's favourability goes up a bit for voting him when there were two town wagons available, and he'd already set the groundwork for a vote on opie.

Xyl's behaviour near the end of yesterday still bothers me. He kept citing saving Guardian as his reason for voting opie, and I'm not keen on Post 652 if ChaosOmega is scum. I don't think lack of interactions is a strong reason not to vote someone on day 1, and his other reason was that he didn't think the CO wagon would overtake the Guardian wagon, which makes little sense since a vote from him on CO would have caused exactly that to happen. Further, Incognito switched his vote from Guardian to CO one post later, and Xyl posted several times with some critisism of CO, but still didn't vote him. In his favour, he did vote ChaosOmega later on, at a time where it could clearly have made a difference. I still think he's a decent candidate.

I need to reread Jitsu soon, because I'm conflicted on him.

Oman, what are your opinions on people who are not ChaosOmega?
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:05 pm

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Incog wrote:Plus I thought it sounded cool and hoped it would help me sound smarter so that we could bring Oman to L-1.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:55 pm

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For some reason, when I made post 652 I was thinking that Guardian had more votes than ChaosOmega. I probably hadn't read the whole thread before replying.
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:49 am

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Oman wrote:I was getting town reads off Adel, so I trusted her.
So if you were voting Opie because you trusted Adel, why did you keep your vote on Opie the whole time even though Adel jumped on and off the Opie wagon several times near the end of the day? Given Adel's tendency to get on a wagon early and stay there for the duration, didn't you find it just a little odd that she changed votes several times?

Are you still getting a town read off of Adel now?
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:53 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:Even I can figure out that ChaosOmega is probably scum here.

I say we wait for everyone to check in, then lynch him.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:12 am

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Jitsu wrote:
Oman wrote:I was getting town reads off Adel, so I trusted her.
So if you were voting Opie because you trusted Adel, why did you keep your vote on Opie the whole time even though Adel jumped on and off the Opie wagon several times near the end of the day?
exactly.
Given Adel's tendency to get on a wagon early and stay there for the duration, didn't you find it just a little odd that she changed votes several times?
note to other players: Oman Jitsu recently finished a game wher I place an "immovable" vote on someone I thouight was scum early in a day, and I left it there for the duration of the day.
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:07 am

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Oman wrote:
Incog wrote:Plus I thought it sounded cool and hoped it would help me sound smarter so that we could bring Oman to L-1.
Tell me, do you want me at -1 or lynched?
Both.

I liked Patrick's post above. Patrick, are we sharing the same brain?
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:15 am

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Adel, your list of priorities has changed:
Adel wrote:1. get scum lynched
2. stay alive.

3. have fun
Adel wrote:
3. I want to draw the NK (suck that scum, ha ha!)
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:39 am

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Adel wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Adel, of your three suspects, why do you want to lynch opie today?
1. I am confident that he is scum. Mat_S would be too easy to lynch and there is a possibility of him being a VI. Also, I have trouble seeing him as scum independant of opie. Incognito doesn't really seem that scummy to me, sometimes I get a little carried away with myself.
2. I predicted opie's lynch pages and pages ago, and I like being right.
3.
I want to draw the NK
(suck that scum, ha ha!)
@Incognito: think about that contradiction a little more.

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