Mini 552: X-Men mafia (Game Over!)

[Lloyd]

poor Monkey. Didn't see that coming.

I'm confused by what you mean. Were you expecting something to happen to Monkey?

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

I've only seen resurrections in Back to Gambits 1 and 2.

In both Back to Gambits games, there were two types of resurrections:
- The Vampire (initially town), when nightkilled, had the choice to resurrect into a Werewolf (and turning into scum)
- The doctors (Archangel and Sorcerer) could resurrect someone who died on previous nights

Vote Count:

No one voting anyone yet.

8 alive, 5 to lynch!

[farside22]

ooba: A no lynch has been proven to be more bennifical to scum then town. Confusion is a great tool.

Could you explain this?

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

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I was commenting to your post 142.

[logicticus]

Bizarre night. The two most likely suspects (in my opinion) for a lynch today both killed...

Adele is now Phoenix probably from the comics, but alignment wise, who knows what that means.

And I think Adele definitely had some knowledge about Monkey as they are Cyclops and Jean Grey. Perhaps she knew if she was killed something would happen to him, but she didnt expect death.

I need to reread and find some suspects.

[farside22]

Bizarre night. The two most likely suspects (in my opinion) for a lynch today both killed...

Adele is now Phoenix probably from the comics, but alignment wise, who knows what that means.

And I think Adele definitely had some knowledge about Monkey as they are Cyclops and Jean Grey. Perhaps she knew if she was killed something would happen to him, but she didnt expect death.

I need to reread and find some suspects.

Why would she vote against Monkey if she had knowelegde about him as cyclops?

[ooba]

ooba: A no lynch has been proven to be more bennifical to scum then town. Confusion is a great tool.

Could you explain this?

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

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I was commenting to your post 142.

But i thought not lynching Monkey was a good move since he turned out to be town ..

Are you saying the two kills in the night or the confusion with Adele's resurrection could have been prevented if we did lynch monkey? (I'm just unsure about the 'Confusion is a great tool' part)

[farside22]

@ooba: Are you saying people aren't slacking in this game? It is difficult to base anything on anyone and some people were suspicious of Korts. Due to Monkey's play now there is next to nothing to go on which makes scum happy when there is a no lynch.

There is next to nothing to go on due to monkey's play?

Scum are even happier with a townie lynch..

This is what I was commenting about from yesterday. Yes Monkey was a townie in the end, but him causing chaos during the day was in some part due to a no lynch. Plus as stated scum like No lynch just as much as a townie lynch. It's been proven a no lynch does not help the town. Lack of discussion day one did not help us at all.

[Johoohno]

I really don't like this Adele situation either. If she is Phoenix now I see it as very likely that her alignment has shifted.

Is there a reason for the Monkey being the one who sees her first in the flavour text?

[Adele]

I didn't know that monkey was Cyclops, and I didn't know that Cyclops would die - though it certainly occured to me that he might, considering what my role pm said about if I died there would be negative consequences for the town, and my own basic knowledge about the X-men mythology.

I don't want to go into details about other changes to my role, for obvious reasons - but I'm no longer vanilla, and my initial concern (that I'm like phoenix and therefore my alignment might be vulnerable to change now) doesn't seem too likely to me.

As to me being anti-town

already

... well, simply put, a role that starts vanilla pro-town but attempted NK of it results in not only the death of the Vig, but converts the vanilla into a powered-up anti-town role would be... rather swingy for a mini. Balance issues up the yazoo.

But, back to my initial paranoia - in the comics, was there any particular character that triggered phoenix changing to dark phoenix?

[Pug89]

But i thought not lynching Monkey was a good move since he turned out to be town ..

Are you saying the two kills in the night or the confusion with Adele's resurrection could have been prevented if we did lynch monkey? (I'm just unsure about the 'Confusion is a great tool' part)

In hindsight it worked out better for the town since Monkey was town but at the time he was the strongest lead we had to go on and NL is almost always bad for the town.

monkey is |-2 im ok with him being lynched
ill hold my vote so someone doesnt hammer...ie ill hold til we push closer to deadline

You didn't vote for everyone; why is that?

[ooba]

I'm not saying No lynch is the way to go every single time - was just trying to make a point that you shouldn't jump onto the bandwagon when you don't think that person is scum just to make the lynch happen.. Anyway think this discussion is distracting so I shall drop it ..

As to me being anti-town already... well, simply put, a role that starts vanilla pro-town but attempted NK of it results in not only the death of the Vig, but converts the vanilla into a powered-up anti-town role would be... rather swingy for a mini. Balance issues up the yazoo.

I agreee with this ...

While Jean and Scott are having a romantic evening

in Manhattan, she, Wolverine, and Banshee, are abducted by Sentinels. They are taken to an abandoned S.H.I.E.L.D. orbital platform under the command of the anti-mutant activist Steven Lang, who is plotting to unleash a new generation of Sentinels. The other X-Men rescue them.[14] During the space station's destruction, the X-Men find that their shuttle has been damaged in an earlier fight with the Sentinels. The X-Men decide that someone must stay at the controls and pilot the ship, while everyone else remains in the shuttle's heavily-shielded life cell.

Knowing no one else could survive long enough to pilot the shuttle to safety, Jean uses her telepathy to learn how to pilot the shuttle and her telekinesis to block the radiation as she pilots the ship back to Earth.[15] Her telekinetic shields give way under the onslaught of the intense radiation.

The strain of holding the solar radiation at bay with her powers destroys the psychic shields Xavier placed in her mind as a child, and Jean assumes her ultimate potential as a psychic, becoming an entity of pure thought.

The shuttle crashes into a bay, and Jean telekinetically reforms her body and emerges from the water. Taking the code-name of Phoenix, Jean's psi-powers are now vastly stronger, and she manifests a fiery bird-shaped energy aura whenever she uses her powers to their fullest extent.

Scott's (Cyclops) romantic interest is Jean grey so it is the reason for Monkey being the one to see her first and die due to her death.

And there's no particular character as such who triggers Jean->Phoenix transformation. My own guess is you resurrect once on death to a more powerful being.

[ooba]

It's amazing how we say there was no conversation on Day 1 and how that was bad for the town and then go on to not make a single post in 24 hours ..

It's easy just just say 'Nothing's happening for me to comment on it' but then if everyone does the same , the game will just stagnate i.e Good for scum ..

[lovo14]

monkey is |-2 im ok with him being lynched
ill hold my vote so someone doesnt hammer...ie ill hold til we push closer to deadline

You didn't vote for everyone; why is that?

refrase?? are u asking why i didnt vote??
cause i was absent just before deadline...
adel i know of nothing that makes phoenix go dark as such
and like u said bout the vanilla turning into to power anti-town would be a balancing issue....
mmmm interesting

there are alot of role claims going around at the moment
ill have a think about stuff, i think this setup mite be bit different to a normal theme game....just the gameplay and stuff

[lovo14]

bump above locked topics

[Pug89]

refrase?? are u asking why i didnt vote??
cause i was absent just before deadline...

Yeah that's what I meant. Thanks for answering.

ill have a think about stuff, i think this setup mite be bit different to a normal theme game....just the gameplay and stuff

I believe you are right. IIRC it was stated before the game that it would have some unusual mechanics and I think that that is important to keep in mind while we play the game.

[lovo14]

glad we agree.
so does this mean adel is no longer pro town??

[farside22]

I've been trying to think of the best way to get this game started so that we do more then just stare at everyone blankly. Day 1 was a wash. I know people don't think a random vote day 2 is good (from what I read at mafia) so I was thinking on what Ooba said about non conversation and the fact that it bennifits scum. I agree hence I am thinking those who haven't really contributed much to the game in any realy way should be a focus just to get talks going again at this point. I noticed Pug and Johoohno as the worst offenders.

Vote: Johoohno

[Adele]

glad we agree.
so does this mean adel is no longer pro town??

No, I'm still pro-town. My main concern right now is trying to ensure that doesn't change.

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

[farside22]

glad we agree.
so does this mean adel is no longer pro town??

No, I'm still pro-town. My main concern right now is trying to ensure that doesn't change.

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

I found this on wikipedia: Looks like there are two different versions of Phoenix

The Dark Phoenix Saga is an extended X-Men storyline in the fictional Marvel Comics Universe, focusing on Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force, ending in Grey’s apparent death. It was written by Chris Claremont with art by Dave Cockrum and John Byrne.

It is sometimes divided into two parts, with the Phoenix Saga (X-Men [Vol. 1] #101–108, 1976–1977) referring to Grey’s seeming assumption of the power and repair of the M’Kraan Crystal, and the Dark Phoenix Saga (X-Men Vol. 1 #129–138, 1980) to her corruption and fall. It is one of the most well-known and heavily referenced comic stories, and widely considered a classic.[citation needed]

It was adapted for the X-Men animated series, and alluded to in the movie X2: X-Men United. A third movie, X-Men: The Last Stand, released in 2006, contains further elements from the saga.

[Pug89]

glad we agree.
so does this mean adel is no longer pro town??

Right now there's no way to determine if Adele's alignment has changed or not, It's possible she just hade a one time ressurection and it didn't affect her alignment.

[ooba]

@lovo , I'm against adele being Scum , she's pro town in my book ..

@farside , I'd focus on the lurkers but nearly everybody can be accused of not contributing much in this game.

@Everyone, we had 2 deaths yesterday - thephantom and adele so i'm guessing there are 2 scum groups. 2 Mafia + 1 lone SK seems probable. (A vig is also a possibility since it was the phantom who was killed but i'm discounting that cause Day vig + Night vig = game over pretty quickly) .. This is another point against adele not being scum since there are already two groups present..

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

Won't all this be mentioned in your role pm explicitly?

[lovo14]

ok then
@ adel if havent found yet [url=http://x-men.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]xmen specific wiki[url]
@ ooba/everyone also there could be pgo, bomb/super saint (always mix up those 2) around. unsure if it fits the xmen theme but yer. also something to thinl about

[Lloyd]

@Everyone, we had 2 deaths yesterday - thephantom and adele so i'm guessing there are 2 scum groups. 2 Mafia + 1 lone SK seems probable. (A vig is also a possibility since it was the phantom who was killed but i'm discounting that cause Day vig + Night vig = game over pretty quickly) .. This is another point against adele not being scum since there are already two groups present..

I don't follow your point. How would it exclude Adele from being in one of the two groups that you described?

[ooba]

@Everyone, we had 2 deaths yesterday - thephantom and adele so i'm guessing there are 2 scum groups. 2 Mafia + 1 lone SK seems probable. (A vig is also a possibility since it was the phantom who was killed but i'm discounting that cause Day vig + Night vig = game over pretty quickly) .. This is another point against adele not being scum since there are already two groups present..

I don't follow your point. How would it exclude Adele from being in one of the two groups that you described?

I was talking about the possibility of adele being pro town initially and then turning anti town after the resurrection. -> Which with already 2 possible scum groups , seems to be out of balance

Regarding the possibility of Adele already being scum. A scum who resurrects (once?) on a night kill is fine, but a scum who resurrects on a night kill AND kills a townie in the process seems overpowered again.

[Adele]

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

Won't all this be mentioned in your role pm explicitly?

'Fraid not. Original pm mentioned the potential for consequences for the town, but whether those consequences have been exhausted or not, I don't know.

[farside22]

As much as I don't mind a discussion about what Phoenix could mean. I think some of this time should be used for scum hunting. Lots of the conversation has been more about powers then scum hunting.
@Ooba: You may not like my idea, but it's a start somewhere.