Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[MeMe]

Well, that's a better explanation of why the plan might not work than any other submitted, MoS...but I'm not sure why you believe the mafia possess better jester-discovery powers than the rest of us.

[Battle Mage]

Well, that's a better explanation of why the plan might not work than any other submitted, MoS...but I'm not sure why you believe the mafia possess better jester-discovery powers than the rest of us.

maybe coz they have a better idea of who IS scum, and who just looks like scum? -.-

[MeMe]

Oh.

I was trying to come up with some funny little thing about "the day BM beats MeMe is logic is a sad day indeed..." but I'm just so embarrassed.

[MeMe]

*in logic

[Beep! Beep!]

Amen?

I was trying to come up with some funny little thing about "the day BM beats MeMe in logic is a sad day indeed..." but I'm just so embarrassed.

One theory is that your logic fell below BM levels.

Another is that you knew what you were doing.

I don't know which to choose.

[MeMe]

So sorry -- but deadlines at work are killing me and the sudden "spotlight" exposed to me how little extra time I actually have for this.

mathcam has agreed to take over my role, if that's OK with you. If not, I'll stay in and keep looking for my own replacement so you don't have to do so. If/when you give the go-ahead, I'll forward my role PM to him.

Thesp has just signed off on this, so this'll be my last post. It was fun, but just too much for me right now.

Thanks, mathcam!

[Thesp]

Mathcam replaces MeMe, effective immediately.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: MeMe

this last move is too much...

[hasdgfas]

elaborate please?

[RossWilliam]

Battle Mage, I think she's just getting replaced. Meme doesn't strike me as the type who'd run off just cause things are getting a little tighter

[Holy]

I smell opportunism in the "plan bad = MeMe scum" votes, possibly even an attempt to save farside (for tomorrow? because she's a partner?).

Hm, I noticed that opportunism too, "plan bad = MeMe scum" votes. From your plan, I think, directing vig or RB is bad plan, but I can see your point regarding chaos between likely jester or just scum pretending jester, all in all, I don't think scum will follow the plan without victimize the innocents, or like MoS' said.

I'm quite sad you're leaving, MeMe. The reason I joined here, some of it is because I want to play with you ;_;

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've been on spring break(i know really crappy time for spring break)

i'll try to make up for it.

lynch Farside plz

[Thesp]

Official D3 Vote Count

Note:

Cult of the Couch Members:

1 (Mr_Gnome_It_All)

farside22 - 5

(Holy, Battle Mage, PookyTheMagicalBear, RossWilliam, Mathcam)

Holy - 1

(farside22)

PookyTheMagicalBear - 1

(Iammars)

Mathcam - 3

(Mastermind of Sin, Beep! Beep!, AmeliaSlay)

Not Voting - 4

(

Cult of the Couch (1)

, hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, curiouskarmadog)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

Mr_Gnome_It_All replaces tyhess, effective immediately.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, I think she's just getting replaced. Meme doesn't strike me as the type who'd run off just cause things are getting a little tighter

its possibly the worst time to get replaced if u are town. Just when u are attracting controversy. And the excuse doesnt add up either. She decided to leave just as her time constraint here was less. It doesnt make sense. I think a scumbag who didnt have the time to give it a decent shot bailed, and left it to someone who could fare better-hence Mathcam.

BM

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

Hey all! Well, I'm trying to get some semblance of "caught up", but it's kinda hard to do in a 50+ page game.

Anyhoo...

Battle Mage, I think she's just getting replaced. Meme doesn't strike me as the type who'd run off just cause things are getting a little tighter

I can attest to the fact that MeMe is most definitely

not

the type of player to do this.

[Battle Mage]

in that case Gnome, please tell us why MeMe has left at this time.

BM

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

If she says it's because of deadlines at work, then it's because of deadlines at work. Her timing for needing to be replace is nothing more than an inconvenient coincidence. I know her well enough to know that if there was any chance she could continue, she would.

[Battle Mage]

then why did she choose to drop out due to being too busy, just when this game was becoming less of a time constraint for her?

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

I'm really not following what you mean by "less of a time constraint". Unless you believe it was a guarantee she was going to be lynched and her death would free up the time. These games take time to play, and for any sort of decent player the time it takes out of a day should be equal throughout the game.

[farside22]

I understood what Meme was trying to do, but the focus really should have been more on trying to find scum then finding a Jester.

FOS: MeMe

Dear Pooky,

I missed you while you were gone.

XOXO

farside.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Major FoS: Battle Mage

for trying to drum up support for a mathcam lynch based on MeMe's replacement.

[mathcam]

Wow, so much to say. I'll try not to cram it all in to one post.

First, meta-stuff about recent events:

I think a scumbag who didnt have the time to give it a decent shot bailed, and left it to someone who could fare better-hence Mathcam.BM

First of all, wouldn't a responsible townie who didn't have the time to give it a decent shot

also

want to leave it to someone else? While we're meta-ing about MeMe, from my experience there's nothing more important to her than the integrity of the game -- being replaced would take priority over putting an inadequate amount of time to do justice to the game. Running away from a fight isn't even remotely a possibility, and even if it

were

, she'd be more likely to do it as town than as scum -- I happen to know that getting lynched as town is much more painful to her than the same as scum.

Second, I don't think there's much for her to defend. She proposed a plan with a gaping wide hole in it, and made no bones about retracting it once the fatal flaw had been demonstrated to her. Unless the suggestion is that she intentionally came up with a majorly flawed plan and hoped that this pool of remarkably experienced players just wouldn't find it, I can't fathom what people can find scummy about it. In fact, she

repeatedly

asked for such a reveal ever since she proposed the plan, and it's unbelievably clear from her posts that she was genuinely excited about how strong this plan was. I don't think I've ever seen her get quite so giddy about a plan, in particular because she's not frequently much of a "plan" person -- she's got enough raw scum-finding talent to not need them very often. That she was so excited about it would've been a strong pointer she was town even if I didn't get to see her role PM (which, I might add, makes getting a read on a player very easy).

Okay, non-meta content coming next post.

Cam

[mathcam]

I'm reasonably sure that farside is the right lynch for today. There are Beep!Beep!'s reasons of it being unlikely that there are two docs and that they have the same exact same role PM, but these are only mildly convincing. (The latter especially since it was pointed out that the actual deck only had one picture, so that this fits the theme -- funny that Beep never acknowledged this point). I find much more compelling the fact that she didn't die last night (I know, I know, WIFOM, but with 3 kills?), her implication in Post post 1059 that she made her claimed night-choice based on what would make her least scummy as opposed to what would have been best for the town (to give credit, BM also noted this is 1067), and now her last post, which seems pretty Johnny-come-lately to me (trying to make sure to grab some of that sweet anti-MeMe action while it's still hot).

My other top suspects are Pooky and Ross:

For Pooky, he's been remarkably cavalier several times this game. First, there was the Mith/Pooky trap on day 1 which I think was fairly ill-conceived (though admittedly I wasn't at Thespival). Second, there's the 5 (now 6?) HD's -- not only was that a complete distraction and waste of time, it gave people the opportunity to say things they would not have to be held accountable for. And then there's his most recent lie to the town -- I'm not a big "Lynch all Liars" fanatic, but there's a reason that people cling to this rule, and this is one of those cases. It's not hard to come up with scenarios in which a mafia tracker could use such a ploy to his advantage, and it's hard to see how this could have helped the town. Was it really likely that a scum would have been dumb enough to fall into such a trap, especially since Pooky already admitted to lying about a plan already in the thread? Finally, there are several generally cavalier proposals he's made, about him collecting people's votes, etc. There are only two reasons that this hasn't propelled him over farside for me in terms of scumminess: First, I think I sincerely believe he would not have killed Tally as scum (though obviously his co-scum could have out-voted him), and second, I think this set of plays is more likely to come from a Jester than a scum. It just looks to me like a really blatant attempt at getting hit by the lynch-all-liars meta.

For Ross: I have three times in my notes, starting at the beginning of day 2, the exact phrase "Wow, Ross is soooo scum." (Okay, I confess, there were varying number of "o"s in each one). I have marked posts 494, 524, and 679 (though occasionally the number refers to a series of posts in that general vicinity). If I had been around at the start of day 2, I would have been pushing extremely hard for his lynch, and I was ready to jump into this game with a scathing attack on him. He hasn't, however, done much since then that I've found particularly scummy, so he's beginning to slip a little in the scumminess rankings.

I'm not sure what to think of Beep!Beep!. I thought MeMe's rebuttal against his "adjectives" was one of the best posts I've read in a long time (second in this game only to her post about "notes to self"...lol), but I'll concede that he had a point that MeMe this whole game seemed to lurk (or at least play quietly) until she was attacked, at which point she would spring into activity. Perhaps the thought that she would have to do this regularly for a little bit was what made her decide she wouldn't have enough time for the game any more.

I have tons more, but I'm not sure any of it's very pressing, so I'll just let it go as it seems necessary (kind of like a mathcam IV).

Cam

[hasdgfas]

intruiging posts

[petroleumjelly]

Obligatory post. I have not had time (read: put aside time) to read this game for longer than I'd care to admit, and it will probably stay that way for this weekend. If it becomes a problem, I may ask for replacement.