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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:29 am

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When you make judgements about how someone else would play as scum, that's scumhunting. When you make judgements about how
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opie - 6 (Oman, ChaosOmega, pickemgenius, Xylthixlm, Guardian, Adel)

ChaosOmega - 4 (Patrick, Erg0, Matt_S, Incognito)
Guardian - 3 (opie, Jitsu)

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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:41 am

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@Patrick:
I don't see where specifically ChaosOmega mentions that I'm one of the three people he's suspicious of. He does mention "three people" but it seemed unclear (to me at least) which three people he was talking about. I was under the impression he was talking about the last three people to join the opie wagon; not the ChaosOmega wagon.

I find his response just plain strange. It seems like he feels like the explanation of his vote on opie is more justified than a lot of the other people's votes on opie when people (namely Erg0) have mentioned just how wagony CO's vote actually was.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:50 am

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In his post 4 he mentioned a top 3 LoS of opie, Xyl, Incognito. That's why I asked about you, the only one he hadn't elaborated on. His answers are pretty much the definition of wishy washy.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:56 am

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Ah. I forgot about that post. Makes sense now.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:57 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:When you make judgements about how
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Why do you believe this?
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:57 am

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ChaosOmega wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Correction: "Oh, we're close to deadline, let me make sure Guardian doesn't get lynched."
Correction: "Oh, we're close to deadline, let me make sure my scumbuddy doesnt get lynched."
So you think Guardian is scummy? It's hard to tell, what with you not saying anything all day.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:10 am

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Opie, I see you posting around the site. Anything to say, here?
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:28 am

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Sorry guys, for lack of inactivity. There have been big changes at work for me and this game has really gotten away from me at the moment. Things hopefully have settled down. But as it stands I don't think it'll matter much since I'm the deadline lynch.

I'll just note a few things. That stood out to me in my re-read. First, I'm suprised that no-one (especially those on my wagon) have pointed out that I haven't posted in the last few days. I expected that it would trumpetted as a sure sign that I'm scum, identified, meekily retrating into the night, as it were.

Second, I'm suprised that I haven't been hammered yet. I also suprises me that there was some waffling as to whether or not the town should find another lynch, rather than make the case I am the best lynch.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:40 am

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^ that's not the post of scum. That's the post of a townie being taken advantage of.

opie, who are you most suspicious of and why? Give us a top three or something.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:53 am

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Incognito wrote:^ that's not the post of scum. That's the post of a townie being taken advantage of.
I agree.
unvote opie, vote ChaosOmega
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:57 am

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Now CO is at 5. If opie were to vote for him, he'd be at 6, more than opie. Is CO supposed to claim with 7 hours remaining? I'll be checking the thread... I'm really unsure CO lynch is the best here. I don't understand why you both feel that opie's post is an abused townie and not a given up scum.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:05 am

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opie wrote:Second, I'm suprised that I haven't been hammered yet. I also suprises me that there was some waffling as to whether or not the town should find another lynch, rather than make the case I am the best lynch.
^^^ This.

The people who have been trumpeting opie's lynch have been timidly hopping on and off the wagon instead of really pushing forward and solidifying why the case against opie makes perfect sense. The wagony voters have done just that - wagoned and have not provided further explanation OR input about their feelings on anyone else in the game. All I've seen is a bunch of this person is probably scum with this person and this person is probably scum with this person. That's not fucking scum-hunting; that's a shitty excuse to post and get the day over with.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:32 am

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Incognito wrote:
Question to both ChaosOmega and Matt_S:
What's scummy about the way I attacked Guardian?
This may just be me not remembering correctly, but I recall you flat out refusing to respond to Guardian's questions. Yeah, Guardian hadn't answered your questions, but refusing to communicate isn't helpful. Again, I'm not really sure who started the escalation, but when I first read it I thought it was you.

And this day is getting to a close really soon. Who's our lynch?
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:53 am

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I make it just over 2 hours we have left.

I kind of share the concern about lynching without a claim, it's not something I ever like doing. If would be helpful if ChaosOmega showed up. I think I prefer to lynch CO without a claim than lynch opie with the vanilla claim though.

Jitsu, you've been hovering round alot today. What do you make of all this?
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:46 pm

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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:02 pm

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I'm here... I'll re-read after I take a shower. Really unconvinced that CO is > than opie.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:35 pm

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Hm. Upon re-read...

CO's only (serious) vote in this game was a 4th vote on opie. He didn't provide great reason for it, and has basically been riding the wagon out and not scum-hunting.

Opie, otoh, while very suspicious of me (I always see that as a scum tell >_>) seems to be trying to scum hunt.

Of note to me: strictly speaking this is neither a scum or town tell, as it is always in one's best interest to vote someone who is the competing lynch, but CO is on opie, and not vice versa. However, I find scum are always more sure to be on the other wagon than town. Also, there is a slight possibility they are scum together. I am unsure why CO would not have chosen to try and lynch me, then, though.

I don't know here, really. If opie is scum and CO town I'd feel positively ridiculous for switching... Additionally if CO is a power role. But from the standpoint of an objective re-read, it seems that:

unvote: opie

vote: ChaosOmega


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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:37 pm

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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:38 pm

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Patrick wrote:Jitsu, you've been hovering round alot today. What do you make of all this?
I tend to agree with you. I've had the feeling that Opie will probably come up town for a while now. I was never really sold on the Opie wagon, and I think that CO and Xyl's votes on Opie are/were suspect. I wondered if I should have voted Opie awhile ago, but my mind was made up when nobody on his wagon offered any other compelling evidence against him.

I feel really stuck. I don't want to see a probable townie [Opie] get lynched (even though it would be a good source of information). On the other hand, even though I still find ChaosOmega scummy (for all the reasons I mentioned earlier), I feel much less certain of his guilt than Guardian's, namely because he's given us far less to work with. Plus, without a claim from ChaosOmega, I'm more than a bit worried about "shooting in the dark", so to speak. I really don't like either option very much.

I haven't liked some of Xylthixlm's posts as of late. I think he recently has tended to focus a lot more on the small number Guardian's positive posts recently and not given sufficient weight to the negative ones (odd to me, given that he seemed to be considering both very well earlier). I am asking myself why he thought Guardian was neutral before, but more town now (especially when I thought Guardian has been much more scummy recently, compared to early in the day.) I also felt Xyl's vote on Opie was wagonny, but I'm suspicious of Xyl's jumping off Opie's wagon too. It seems to me like Xyl may have seen the tide turning away from Opie and is now finding a way off the wagon. But if Opie *is* town, that is actually the right thing for a townie to do. So I'm not quite sure what to think about Xyl. If I had to give a read on Xyl, I'd say I find him slightly scummy, but he's not my concern at the moment.

I think a Guardian/ChaosOmega/Xylthixlm is plausible, but unfortunately, I'm not yet convinced that that explains everything very well yet.

I was really hoping we could get a Guardian lynch, as he fits my lynch criteria of someone I find scummy that will give good information. But it looks like that won't happen.

Really though, the only important decision I have to make right now is whether to vote ChaosOmega, and I'm torn.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:40 pm

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...Plus, I wanted to see (if ChaosOmega is scum) if any of his buddies would bus him
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:43 pm

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EBWOP:
I think a Guardian/ChaosOmega/Xylthixlm scum trio is plausible...
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:46 pm

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Jitsu, I'll be lynched regardless of your vote. I should have came on earlier to claim. I'm the cop. Was trying to stay in the background so I wouldn't get nightkilled.
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:47 pm

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Jitsu wrote:...Plus, I wanted to see (if ChaosOmega is scum) if any of his buddies would bus him
This makes no sense though. Are you saying that you've been holding off your vote from ChaosOmega because you want to see if any of his buddies would bus him?

That requires a few conditions:

1) ChaosOmega is definitely scum.
2) You know with great certainty who ChaosOmega's scum buddies are.

I really don't like these series of posts, Jitsu.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:47 pm

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Woo! Nearly deadline!
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:47 pm

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ChaosOmega wrote:Jitsu, I'll be lynched regardless of your vote. I should have came on earlier to claim. I'm the cop. Was trying to stay in the background so I wouldn't get nightkilled.
Wtf? Why would you claim when you're not even the one who would be lynched in this case?!

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