Mini 566: Justice League Mafia Game Over

[ZONEACE]

yeah well inner "F" you cicero

vote jman

for being unconfirmed.

[ZONEACE]

Should we mass claim?

generally no.


not generally, no.

[ZONEACE]

wait when did i vote Thesp???

[ZONEACE]

EBWOP

nevermind. he replaced j-man.

unvote

[ZONEACE]

Perhaps we should say claim who we are NOT.

I'll go first. I am not Icemaiden. ZONEACE, your turn.

[ZONEACE]

i think i gave m anser, i ended this sad little merrygoround. it was a stupid joke of an idea and i put a stop to it. so lets get back to things relevant and helpful


also, mass claim =/= a good idea.

[ZONEACE]

It gains us nothing.

neither does a massclaim. It just gains the scum all the usual info they need on who they need to kill first.

[ZONEACE]

its not worth it.

[ZONEACE]

If we do mass claim, i'm pretty sure even townies will just outright lie to stop giving scum information.

IDK about that, i guess its possible that a couple of power roles might consider doing that to deflect mafia attention from then, but if they did it would lead to a possible LAL issue later in the game, so i really just think that its completely unreasonable idea to mass claim.

[ZONEACE]

haha. Zoneace meet Mirth. Mirth meet Zoneace.

This should be fun.

huh??

[ZONEACE]

oh wow i totally missed that post. yeah.

[ZONEACE]

I'm against it too. It doesn't give us anything positive and all it stands to do is allow the mafia to figure who has which powers and thereby give them the best choices for their early kills.

[ZONEACE]

It's not an original reason, but Capricious' unwillingness to let the massclaim die is gonna get my vote. The scum have more to gain from it than the town. The possiblility of the scum figuring out the power roles doesn't outeighs the very weak possibillity of catching a scum. 1 scum for several power roles is not a good trade.

[ZONEACE]

EBWOP:

Vote Capricious

[ZONEACE]

Unvote: Capricious

Vote: Zoneace

L-2 already?I think that's going a bit too far.

i don't. but if you want to be stupid that's up to you

[ZONEACE]

Im confident that he deserves my vote at this time. I don't understand why i shouldn't be able to vote for someone simply because it will put them at -2. If it was -1 that would make more sense, but at -2 i think its silly for you to suddenly switch to me.

[ZONEACE]

You are right, one or two scum for several power roles is not a good trade. But why do seemingly the majority of you think that will happen when we mass name claim?

Umm, because it wouldn't be THAT hard to do a little bit of research after finding out someone's name to figure out what their possible power is. If you really want to test it, then you name claim and see if we can't come up with your ability.


Can someone please give thoughts on how power roles will be revealed through name claiming?[/quote]

the only way to show you is for someone to reveal their name and ability to show you all it takes is a small amount of thinking.

The last time i was in a justice league game i was batman and I was an Inventor, NOT THAT UNEXPECTED.

[ZONEACE]

RE POST WITH CORRECT TAGS

You are right, one or two scum for several power roles is not a good trade. But why do seemingly the majority of you think that will happen when we mass name claim?

Umm, because it wouldn't be THAT hard to do a little bit of research after finding out someone's name to figure out what their possible power is. If you really want to test it, then you name claim and see if we can't come up with your ability.

Can someone please give thoughts on how power roles will be revealed through name claiming?

the only way to show you is for someone to reveal their name and ability to show you all it takes is a small amount of thinking.

The last time i was in a justice league game i was batman and I was an Inventor, NOT THAT UNEXPECTED

[ZONEACE]

(Let's just say I would consider going gay for Edith Wharton were she alive.)

i could have lived without that visual

[ZONEACE]

So you think he, as scum, sees someone suggest mass claim, discusses why it's unhelpful, suggests we do it anyway because he doesn't think it hurts town, and does so fairly blatantly? My experience with scum is not consistent with your experience, apparently. I think this is opportunistic rather than genuine.

FOS: ZONEACE.

you don't find his constant harping DESPITE being told ample times (with detailed explanationsas to why) that it was a bad idea as even SLIGHTLY scummy.

[ZONEACE]

No - it looked like he disagreed with those explanations (hardly any of which were detailed, IIRC). Am I mistaken?

I feel mine were detailed. And it wasn't that he disagreed, he disREGARDED the explanations, he never refuted them and continued making hte same argument for the claims.


as for whome? i haven't taken a close look at him, so i don't really have an opinion.

[ZONEACE]

So, let me understand this correctly - you think he's scum, and presumably has something to gain from a mass claim (else why would he push it?). Furthermore, in his sinister plot which he did not first proffer forth, he finds opposition to it which draws attention to himself, yet continues to push it, because the potential for the massclaim that gains him great benefit outweighs being the center of the growing lynch mob.

Is that right?

i notice how you completely ignored everything i said there.

[ZONEACE]

Furthermore, in his sinister plot which he did not first proffer forth, he finds opposition to it which draws attention to himself, yet continues to push it, because the potential for the massclaim that gains him great benefit outweighs being the center of the growing lynch mob.

Yes, i think scum capricious stands to gain from a mass claim even if it is at his down fall. Because 1 scum for 2 or 3 power roles is not a good trade for the town, but it is a VERY GOOD trade for the scum. Its a risky gambit, but scum capricious stands to gain if it works.

And i've noticed, what have appeared, at least to me, to be very sly attempts to get people to out themselves as proof that it's a bad idea. I've stated, a couple times, that its a bad idea for the claim, and made explanations as to why, but the only way to PROVE IT, is from someone to name claim and see if their power can easily be figured out (which would be a bad idea and i definitely do not support anyone doing that). Despite this, he CONTINUES to push the idea saying no good reasons ahve been given.

[ZONEACE]

well that gets an

FOS

because i think its quite obvious. Anyone pushing or defending mass claiming at this point is suspect.

[ZONEACE]

You say that, and yet you continue to defend the person most vehemetely advocating mass claiming despite it being a logicless advocation. It jsut strikes me as suspect. you're saying one thing and doing another.

[ZONEACE]

you ignored and actually disputed that scum capricious had something to gain from his actions.

[ZONEACE]

you're still wrong capricious. mass claiming is a bad idea and if you try and push it again i will do everything in my power to get you lynched as quickly as possible.

[ZONEACE]

you really didn't read the whole game did you.

[ZONEACE]

No, none of the points made against mass claiming in the thread are valid.

well then you're either dumb, or scum. cause all of the reasons against it are more than valid.

can we lynch this guy already? PLEASE?

[ZONEACE]

unless there is some sort of drastic revelation my vote won't be changing. I am more than convinced capricious is not of the pro-town variety.

[ZONEACE]

can we lynch him please?

and MOD can you consolidate those posts?


that was completely unnecessary.

[ZONEACE]

ok, well then, i'd like to throw each and everyone one at you.

[ZONEACE]

If he turns up town i'll go after one of the other people pushing or defending the pushing of mass claim. atleast one of them is scum.

Capricious went OUT OF HIS WAY to push something that is decidedly anti town, that is enough reason to lynch someone in my eyes, especially day one. especially after they kept pushing it after being told and shown with examples over and over it was a bad idea.

[ZONEACE]

This is just blatant fishing/contiunued pushing of terrible plans.

unvote vote kelv

i can live with allowing cap to survive til tomorrow.

(yes i know i said unless there was a drastic revelation, oh well, i changed my mind)

[ZONEACE]

you're either retarded or scum, i honestly can't figure it out. either way you're not helpful to the town.

[ZONEACE]

Hello all,

I have replaced in, due to an unhealthy fondness for the DC Comics universe of characters. I have been half following this thread, and have to say that calling for a mass claim (name or otherwise) this early is blooming stupid - it's not as though the JLA doesn't have a million shape-shifting enemies and the like with potential scum safeclaims, and do we really want to out potential healing and investigative roles this early? No, we do not.

I will do a full read by the end of the day, trying to avoid that debate and get to the important job of scum-hunting. I know there's a deadline!

who are you replacing?

[ZONEACE]

I'm increasingly not fond of ZONEACE, for his insistence on voting people he disagrees with rather than doing scumhunting.

That would make sense, IF THE PEOPLE THAT I DSAGREE WITH WEREN'T SCUMMY. But they are. The people i disagree with are suggesting, agressively pushing and/or defending those who are suggesting and agressively pushing SCUMMY and ANTI-TOWN IDEAS.

remove head from sphincter then analyze the game and my play.

[ZONEACE]

nice nice WIFOM thesp.

[ZONEACE]

basing a defense of someone ENTIRELY on BS wifom is counterporductive as well. Thesp's entire post is craplogic. thats not productive.

[ZONEACE]

well this has been fun but i'll be gone for the weekend and likely without internet access.

[ZONEACE]

i'll be quitting if Actr is modkilled instead of someone being lynched.

[ZONEACE]

because it would have made everyone's actions today absolutely moot. If a lynch occurs AND actr is modkilled id be ok, but to take the players votes for the day and render them useless simply because we have an inactive player is uncalled for and completely unnecessary and i don't want to play in a game where at the mods will all votes are disregarded, its not fair to the players actually participating. WE didn't choose to kill actr, we chose to kill caricious or khelv.