Mini #564 - Mafia in Crubtown - Game Over

[mozsuggs]

hello everyone. lets start off with a

vote:thevampireofdusseldorf

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that name is much too long.

Yeah I'm with you on that!

VOTE THEVAMPIREOFDUSSELDORF

No offence Vampire-completely random. Sorry.

[mozsuggs]

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Hm how do you use the dice?

[mozsuggs]

So how are we all doing then? Up for hunting some scum? YEEEEEEEHAH!

[mozsuggs]

Anyone got any clue, at all, about anything?

I feel like I'm walking around with my head up my arse, in a very dark room, just after someone has shouted out "He cant see a bloody thing".

[mozsuggs]

unvote; vote: mozsuggs

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Get your head out your arse.

Thanks for that. Love your sophisticated sense of humour.

[mozsuggs]

UNVOTE

VOTE CEPHRIR

Just to speed things up. No justification at all, but it would be cool to get a lynch this century.

[mozsuggs]

Shall we just kill someone?

[mozsuggs]

UNVOTE, VOTE QUANTUM FRUIT

Purely a bandwagon manoevre. Have no idea.

[mozsuggs]

OK WHAT CONTENT DO YOU WANT. i am town, there , thats it.
Sorry for telling the truth.

In this game, as soon as someone wants you lynched, you prob will get lynched/
ANYTHING i say now people can wilfully misinterpret or distort.
If i give a lenghty, I am town because blah blah, people will say "Ah, how Scummy, an over elaborate defence"
If i dont give a lenghty exposition, people will say, "Ah, he is trying to hide something, he is scum".

The saddest thing i think about lynching a townie is that ITS SUCH A WASTE of time!
Granted, i have no real suggestions of who scum are.
I guess anyone ultra keen on voting for me prob is scum, becuase they know i am innocent.

ps the head up my arse thing WAS A JOKE-anyone here got a sense of humour?

[mozsuggs]

Hmm i think my mistake was not reading all the thread - i assumed, wrongly, that iwas in more trouble than i am.
Annoyingly, this has prob made me more suspicious, but as I'm innocent i really couldnt give a fck.
Yes that was a bandwagon move, and i'll stick it until i hear something from quantum.

Sorry if i overated-still at least i'm clearly town.

[mozsuggs]

ps i guess i did "claim"- but it wasnt very revealing, was it?
Surely anyone would claim town.

[mozsuggs]

ps i am now posting out of boredom-is that scummy?

[mozsuggs]

Mozsuggs... you're actually starting to make me laugh!

But I have to ask again, if you are familiar with bandwagoning, why did you freak out when you had one vote and one FOS on you? I would think someone who knows what a bandwagon is, wouldn't get so upset if it happens to them (not that it did happen to you... but you get it, right?).

Like i said, it was my fault for not reading the thread properly- I didnt realise it was only one vote and one FoS, otherwise I would not have over reacted.
So, the moral of the story(how touching-a morality play amonst the blood and carnage ) is NOT TO BE A LAZY GIT!
That why i know what a bandwagon is-and i thought one was on me

Now, if people fancy lynching me cos I am a lazy noob, thats fair enough.
But you'll be lynching a lazy noob TOWNIE-and I'd rather lynch an experienced, cunning Mafiosa!

[mozsuggs]

I quite agree. I will look back now, although for the moment of course, you guys look a bit scummy for trying to vote me off.
And don't be abusive Arkonas-i was defending my innocence. Or would you find it more convenient if i just said "I confess, I confess", and then you can lynch a townie-well done you.

Whoah the witch hunt is on now. I'm assuming that most peoples real motive is that they just want a lynch and they are jumping on the Suggs bandwagon-i find it ludicrous that I have done ANYTHING suspicious.

Right, i'll trawl through this thread and get back to you.

But

FoS

AKONAS

Fos VIKINGFAN

for talking bollocks and not thinking this through.

Try reading my posts again, from the assumption that I am innocent, and you'll find them utterly consistent.

[mozsuggs]

Well, looking over the whole thing Cephir has always been desperate to get a lynch, so he looks Dodge Ball.

Arkanas I'm not sure about-not keen on his style, but that doent mean hes guilty-but a bit too keen as well.

Looking over the whole thread, i clearly dug a great big whole for myself-no one suspected me really until i got all defensive.

I suspect that will cost me. Really if i get lynched, it will be for laziness i guess, ehich is kinda fair enough.

Just not good for towns prospects.
But for now (I''m happy to change my mind if someone has a better idea):

UNVOTE, VOTE CEPHIR.

though possible he has my vote anyway

[mozsuggs]

Yes, I wanted to speed things up-how many times do you want me to say it?!
And note-i have voted for only two people-hardly the action of a man desperate to lynch a townie.

(on the speed things up front, i didnt realise how long these games would take-dont get me wrong, i am enjoying the rhythm of it now, but initially i guess i assumed we would get a lynch early on.

Funny really-I suspect a better tactic for me would have been to shut up. But being innocent, it really pisses me off!-so I want to keep defending myself.

Pip-Pip!

[mozsuggs]

@mozsuggs: Do you just not like this game in general? (I refer mainly to post 178.) If that's the case, why on earth are you playing?

And you're a strange one, dear - I've been posting quite a bit. Does my being absent since Monday really merit a vote? (You said "if I don't hear something from QF", etc.)
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Also, is no one weirded out by the fact that he basically said "I'm voting QF because I'm bandwagoning."?

And the hypocrisy of saying vikingfan is talking bollocks and not thinking this through? Was that meant to be ironic, because he really doesn't compare next to him.
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In short, mozsuggs advocates bandwagoning, says he won't defend himself because it's unnecessary and then does, says he's clearly town, and throws his votes and FOS-es out like candy.

Vote: mozsuggs

Nah, i love this game- i guess though i have been playing a few games on another site, where i m better known, and they get my sense of humour (such as it is).
You are all reading way too much into this.
I am quite new, trying to have a laugh, probably havent read the posts thoroughly enough, and I'm innocent.

Perhaps you do need to lynch me-it will be funny to see the "pros" look like fools

[mozsuggs]

No, I wansn't saying "Everyone must be scum"-I was saying i assume most people are just first day band wagoning, cos i look as likely as anyone. Obviously there are only two scum!-use your loaf!

I feel the noose tightening



It struck me Cephir that you have been fairly keen to lynch someone through out-of course that doesn't mean your scum (i wanted a lynch too,, remember) -but you have to go on something.

*sulky* go on and then lynch poor old Suggs.
AND YE SHALL FEEL THE WRATH OF TOWN WHEN I AM GONE.

ps I'm loving this game-but don't try and bully me, it wont have any effect.

Unless you've already had the desired effect you bastards-i get the feeling that i've talked myself into trouble.

I guess theres no way of proving my innocence, which is a bugger

[mozsuggs]

In fact, have i got that wrong? How many scum in a 12 player game? More than two do we think?

[mozsuggs]

2 scum? how on earth do you know that? 3 is generally accepted but there can always be more or less. but yes, there's generally MORE than two, but that's not a hard and fast rule.

Explain that very quickly because I don't like where you're going.

I assume you saw my previous post?
Cool. I dont know how many scum they are.
Jesus. Even if the Mod came in, changed the rules, and boomed "Suggs is a townie", you'd still find a way to twist it

You scum by any chance?

[mozsuggs]

Obviously there are only two scum!-use your loaf!

Probably three, actually. No more likely an attempt to confirm himself by not knowing how many scum there are (might seem like a good idea to a newbie) than that it's legitimately not knowing.

It struck me Cephir that you have been fairly keen to lynch someone through out-of course that doesn't mean your scum (i wanted a lynch too,, remember) -but you have to go on something.

Could I ask you to do something for me? Go back to my post. See it there? 193? Now,

actually read what I typed.

Thanks!

Don't be patronising, it makes you look dumb.
Yes, I've read what you type.
If what you say is true then great!
But maybe you're scum-who knows!

It strikes me you either have more experience or are a better player than me, as what you said sounds quite convincing.
But sadly, that doesnt mean you are innocent,or I'm guilty or vice versa.

I should say one thing: I'm only playing two games in Mafia Scum, and in both I'm innocent, and in both I'm getting pounded-so obviously i have a lot to learn.

[mozsuggs]

Hang on, I'll do the easy bit first-my "assault" on Viking consists of me not being too happy that hes trying to lynch me!

[mozsuggs]

Yes, I've read what you type.
If what you say is true then great!
But maybe you're scum-who knows!

Try reading this part again. After you do, respond to it. After that, if you still think I'm scum, you're going to have to give some different reasons because the only ones you listed were false.

Explain how I've been "desperate to get a lynch", because I'm pretty sure I have no idea what you're talking about or how my actions could possibly construed that way. I've made two votes outside of the random phase. First, for windkirby for being defensive, and iirc, he had no votes at the time. but I later decided overdefensiveness wasn't the greatest tell and he was reacting in a fairly protown way. I am now voting for you, and at the time it was for pressure, and you had zero votes on you. Your recent posts have definiely justified my vote, so it's staying there.

If you can explain to me how hunting scum and voting for people who happen to not have any votes is desperate, I'll eat my hat. And I'm so confident you won't be able to that I'm not even wearing a hat.

Also, your continued assault on vikingfan for no apparent reason other than his vote on you is noted.

well, maybe i was wrong-it just seemed to me you put pressure on afew people to vite, and i guess you did put pressureon 3 people (i havent checked, but i am assuming you voted for someone else in the random stage). What you say seems fair enough.

I suspect your mistake, looking at your phrase (about windkirby) that he reacted in "a fairly pro town way" might be that you stereo type too much.
Because it seems like you think i am not reacting in a "pro town way"-and yet i am pro town!

We all react differently mate.
I dont really think you are scum, its just you seemed as good as bet as any.

[mozsuggs]

Dang ninjas.

well, maybe i was wrong-it just seemed to me you put pressure on afew people to vite

Thank you.

I suspect your mistake, looking at your phrase (about windkirby) that he reacted in "a fairly pro town way" might be that you stereo type too much.
Because it seems like you think i am not reacting in a "pro town way"-and yet i am pro town!

1) Obviously, I can't read everyone perfectly.
2) Actually, I'm thinking you're town, actually. I just didn't bother telling you because you'd feel more pressure that way.

I dont really think you are scum, its just you seemed as good as bet as any.

Here's a hint. If you don't think someone's scum, don't vote for them. And if you have no idea who to vote for, don't vote.

Thats not a very effective method of communication mate.
Try being nicer, and people will listen to you.
Everything you said is prob true-but do you honestly expect me not to vote for you now, as you have been so unpleasnat to me FOR NO REASON!
Chill out man.

[mozsuggs]

Try a different perspective. I dont like the way you are hunting me down for NO REASON!
I was perhaps too generous to you when i said "i don't think you're scum, just as good a bet as anyone else" or words to that effect.
There isn't much evidence that you are scum, but since i know i am town, your pursual of me makes you look a bit scummy.
Thats why i am voting for you.

If other people think i am wrong, i'll be guided by POLITE experienced players, and unvote you.
I might even unvote you if you admit you had NOTHING to go on when you were trying to lynch me

[mozsuggs]

Cool, I won an argument, thats rare!
I may be the most unpopular geezer in this game, but i do love being a self righteous TWAT.
Oh the joys of being innocent!

[mozsuggs]

No, you didn't read what i said.]I don't mind people disagreeing with me, thats what the game is all about (or a lot of it)-but do it in a polite way, or even a fun way-you've just been aggressive and patronising.

I suspect a lot of your aggression comes from a dislike of a "noob" thinking for himself, and not being intimidated by your scurrilous, nonsense pseudo logic.l
Sorry mate-I'm willing to learn, but i wont tolerate unpleasant behaviour.

[mozsuggs]

Look, i dont really have any ideas of who is mafia, so i will unvote, so hopefully that will shut you all up.

UNVOTE

[mozsuggs]

Just trying to help you. if you werent so agressive, you would win more arguments-basic rules of sophistry and debating-no one likes the kid who tries to throw his weight around-he normally ends up on the floor.

And in a weird way, i almost want to get lynched now, just so people can see how wrong and inept you are.

[mozsuggs]

No, my entire line of logic is "Fuck off, I'm innocent".

[mozsuggs]

Why excluding me? I'm rather keen to live and help town win you know.
*very British accent*
Don't be a fool man!
seriously dont-you are giving scum a huge advantage.

[mozsuggs]

Right well, the bad new is I am going to claim.
The even more bad news, for me, is that i am avanilla townie. Not a cop. So you prob dont lose too much by losing me.

The worst news of all is that no one believes me *pathetic sobbing*

Hey ho. Good luck town. Its been fun.

If i've learned anything, its not to post-i was doing ok until i opened my mouth. Now i see why pople submarine.

[mozsuggs]

Just trying to help you. if you werent so agressive, you would win more arguments-basic rules of sophistry and debating-no one likes the kid who tries to throw his weight around-he normally ends up on the floor.

I appear to be winning this argument, so it doesn't work that badly, eh? Although the main reason I'm winning this argument is because I'm so right that nobody could ever lose it from my side...

I agree 100% with what Yvonne says about not letting newb behavior slide just because it's newb.

Mm. Maybe my gut reads are writing off newb behavior as "newb town" without considering the "newb scum" possibility.

The even more bad news, for me, is that i am avanilla townie. Not a cop. So you prob dont lose too much by losing me.

The worst news of all is that no one believes me *pathetic sobbing*

Vanilla claim equals not convincing. Maybe people would believe you if you didn't do things like bandwagon for the sake of bandwaggoning.

If i've learned anything, its not to post-i was doing ok until i opened my mouth. Now i see why pople submarine.

Please, don't let that be the lesson you take away from this game. Once you become a better player, this won't be an issue.

Unvote

. I'm feeling really ambivolent toward the mozsuggs wagon, I've been reading him as newb town for a while now but, as I said, I think I've been attributing all newb behavior as newb town. The votes are gathering and I need to think about this.

AS i ma town, your entire argument was wrong.

[mozsuggs]

"Vanilla claim not convincing"

Next time I'll ask for a more convincing role shall I?!

[mozsuggs]

no worries i have been loving the cut and thrust. think i was a bit naive in thinking just cos i was innocent, people would see that in the posts.
i'll be less spontaneous in future.

its been a laugh though, cheers guys, no hard feelings i hope.

[mozsuggs]

zedd, i dont think you've been following. i made numerous attempts to defend my position, in numerous ways, but when i got minus 2 from a lynhc i thought i'd claim.
Sadly for me, i am a vanilla townie, so you are right i have nothing.
But i have just been in a game where a vanilla townie lied and made up some balls about a cop or something. He was found out, and lynched cos he lied.
So i thought i would play the honesty card.

Its funny really-everyone has disected my arguments, often quite logically, and yet you are still going to get the wrong guy-good for scum, bad for town.

Hence why i got to my (as you say, not very logical) "Fuck off, I'm innocent"-cos thats all it boils down to, in the end.

[mozsuggs]

giving up already?

Giving up trying to figure out ways of saying i am innocent yes.
Fuck it-from towns point of view, you are only losing a vanilla, (and a noob)so we could still win.

[mozsuggs]

zed-see my post above yours.

[mozsuggs]

its half one in the morning.
look i am town, if you are town, and you vote for me, its not great.

My point zed was that irealise worst case scenario for town is that you lose a vanilla, which is not the ideal.
Just seems a bit dumb voting for town.

In fairness, i am in anoob game, and have just realised this isnt a noob game!so i understand the intolerant, short sighted, bullying, illogical, arrogant twaddle now

good luck with the scum town-they are winning.

[mozsuggs]

Christ! Guys after i get lynched, read Cyphillis post again-a tad scummy?!

[mozsuggs]

AS i ma town, your entire argument was wrong.

Wow. I've seen some pretty bad arguments from you, but "you're wrong" definitely takes the cake.

zedd, i dont think you've been following. i made numerous attempts to defend my position, in numerous ways, but when i got minus 2 from a lynhc i thought i'd claim.

Okay, now you're just lying. Your defenses have been crap if one would say that they even

existed

, and I don't think I would.

Its funny really-everyone has disected my arguments, often quite logically, and yet you are still going to get the wrong guy-good for scum, bad for town.

Hence why i got to my (as you say, not very logical) "Fuck off, I'm innocent"-cos thats all it boils down to, in the end.

I was unsure of mozsuggs' alignment. I'm still a bit hesitant, but I'm pretty sure we've caught ourselves a scum. I've been reading his wanting to get to night as either scum or a power role, and he's claimed vanilla. If mozsuggs is a townie, which I doubt, he's a really horrendous townie and utterly useless anyways, given that he won't respond to cases and does nothing but proclaim "I'm town", add senseless bandwagon votes that only help the scum, and throw hissy fits when people build cases on him while still pretending he's the one on the moral high ground. He's obviously going to get lynched eventually regardless of his alignment, and since I'm pretty sure that alignment isn't a town one anyways,

Vote: mozsuggs

Hmm unpleasant and dumb, eh? An attractive combination. i have no more senseless bandwagon votes than you my dear syphillis, (are we both 3 bandwagons each-i'm tired and its late, but its roughly the same for each of us). i dont know what cases you are refering to -i have rebutted your hopeless arguments one by one in fairly short order.
I havent thrown a hissy fit- i was annoyed early when you were being aggressive, there was no need to be impolite, you just look like a fool(accurate in your case, i guess)

Anyway, well played if you are scum syphillis, cos you have played this really well- the lynch is almost yours dear scummy face.
And all through bullying and not one deceny argument-theres the force of emotion, you see.

I suspect whats mostly in your favour is th "experience vs noob" thing-when in doubt,its natural for people to shelter behind the experienced ones.

"Experience Is The Name We Give To Our Mistakes". (O. Wilde).

[mozsuggs]

Ninja'd by an idiot. How embarrassing.

Hmm unpleasant and dumb, eh? An attractive combination. i have no more senseless bandwagon votes than you my dear syphillis, (are we both 3 bandwagons each-i'm tired and its late, but its roughly the same for each of us).

1) I've been on 2. And neither was a bandwagon when I originally voted on it, I started the wk thing and was the first on you.
2) Mine are not senseless, they were based on logic. You admitted at the time that you had no reason. Don't even try to make it sound like the same thing.

i dont know what cases you are refering to -i have rebutted your hopeless arguments one by one in fairly short order.

One of the most hilarious things I've ever read in a mafia game. No, seriously.

Good night, syphillis-hope the toen catch you , and we win-i'll have a good laugh.
Next time, if you want to be successful,jut be nicer-you'll find you have a bit more credibility that way.
And thats better than none, eh Syphillis?
Poor sod

[mozsuggs]

Going well, then lads?