Mini 552: X-Men mafia (Game Over!)

[Lloyd]

My reason for the vote for Monkey is that I rather lynch than not. No lynch is a bad idea.

The other part about day vig is simply my commentary about vigging.

[lovo14]

monkey is |-2 im ok with him being lynched
ill hold my vote so someone doesnt hammer...ie ill hold til we push closer to deadline

[Adele]

Anyway, I have no problem lynching monkey. That particular ability, in my opinion, historically seems to be more slanted to scum than town so as the deadline gets closer, I will gladly switch my vote.

Could you show me a mini game where there was a daykill SK or Scum present?

i've been a daykill SK

twice

. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

[Johoohno]

i've been a daykill SK twice. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

Hmm, perhaps Monkey is the lynch of the day then, I saw daykilling as something more pro-town than not. The reason I'm not sure yet is that a vigilante might come in handy for the town later on (if that's what he is). On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a loose cannon. I need to think a bit on this. Adele, I'd appreciate the links.

For the time being:

Unvote: logisticus

[Pug89]

The reason I'm not sure yet is that a vigilante might come in handy for the town later on (if that's what he is). On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a loose cannon.

That is what I'm worried about as well. Even if he is town he could end up hurting the town more than he helps.

[ooba]

Just realized the deadline is like in 3 days. I have a question regarding the Daykill - Would monkey have been so Gung-ho with his kill if he was day SK (I know we are entering Wifom territory here but still) ?

[logicticus]

FYI-

I will be unable to post from about midday tomorrow to the deadline. So I will be putting a vote on Monkey at that time which would put him at L-1 at that time (assuming no other votes or unvotes).

[thephantom]

That is definitely a good question ooba and I don't have an answer but I don't think that he would.

For the rest of you, I am going abstain from voting for monkey because his powers seem too much like cyclops to me, and that would make him a townie unless something wierd is going on here. That is just what I think.

[logicticus]

I wont argue that Monkey is Cyclops, that much is clear. But why jump straight to the conclusion is he automatically pro town? The mod knows we will easily be able to figure out who he was from that scene, so there might be some incentive to make him a scummy character to throw us off.

Im not saying thats the case as I hate to try to outguess the mod, but I would never assume someone is protown or scum just because of their role name.

[Adele]

i've been a daykill SK twice. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

Hmm, perhaps Monkey is the lynch of the day then, I saw daykilling as something more pro-town than not. The reason I'm not sure yet is that a vigilante might come in handy for the town later on (if that's what he is). On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a loose cannon. I need to think a bit on this. Adele, I'd appreciate the links.

... why? It's not like I'd lie about something like that (due to LAL and disproveability), all this resulted in was a tiresome research project for me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

How common day sks are overall I couldn't tell you; I don't recall the setups or other roles of games I'm in (tend not to even remember my own). I've been a day sk twice, I don't recall ever being a dayvig before (I don't recall offhand ever being a vig

at all

, actually, unless you count bugsy malone mafia which was a masonic hybrid)

[thephantom]

Well the reason I come to that conclusion is that Beast was a townie, and it would seem to follow that if one x-man is pro-town, they all would be and the brotherhood of mutants would be the scum.

[Adele]

That's a really foolish course of argument to follow. I ran a game once where blue cheeses were evil. The first scum to die was an Italian blue cheese and a cop who could detect cheeses' nationalities assumed all Italians were scum and damaged the town off that assumption.

Or the time Buffy was evil

Or the time that... well, suffice to say, if things were that simple the game would be way too breakable. Let's not assume

anything

theme-related at this stage, okay? Especially not something as simplistic as "all X-men are good".

[ooba]

i've been a daykill SK twice. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

Hmm, perhaps Monkey is the lynch of the day then, I saw daykilling as something more pro-town than not. The reason I'm not sure yet is that a vigilante might come in handy for the town later on (if that's what he is). On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a loose cannon. I need to think a bit on this. Adele, I'd appreciate the links.

... why? It's not like I'd lie about something like that (due to LAL and disproveability), all this resulted in was a tiresome research project for me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

How common day sks are overall I couldn't tell you; I don't recall the setups or other roles of games I'm in (tend not to even remember my own). I've been a day sk twice, I don't recall ever being a dayvig before (I don't recall offhand ever being a vig

at all

, actually, unless you count bugsy malone mafia which was a masonic hybrid)

Time to read the games ..

And i think its time Monkey claimed

[logicticus]

Alright, I will most likely not be on again before the end of the day, so I am switching to monkey

He is now at L-1, so if someone who is voting wants to jump off real quick to give him time to claim, although Im sure I can guess his claim, go for it.

I most likely be voting thephantom tomorrow because I still think his reactions are scummy and they have gotten worse since my vote.

unvote, vote monkey

[thephantom]

My reactions are scummy? How have they gotten worse?

[ooba]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

Both links are same - Link to Doom2. - Well played , i believe you would have pulled it off if not for the kamikaze in the end

1) There is a difference between that game and this , there you were a Day SK who had to PM the mod to get a kill in. Here we are dealing with a situation where the player has to post on the thread to get a kill in - If it is an SK , it is an underpowered SK at best.

2) Here we are dealing with Mod Setup WIFOM where we try to guess is Monkey a day vig or a day SK - would he have made it so underpowered if it is a SK - and given SirT's rules where he tries to avoid all type of Mod WIFOM , I belive he would have created an secret SK rather than an SK who's name is divulged on the kill.

3) Thirdly , if Monkey was such an underpowered day SK , it doesn't make sense for him to be so Gung-ho - Lying low would have been the best thing for him to do ..

So i do not think Monkey is a day SK - lynching him is bad,IMO.

Having a tunnel vision on a Single player , even with the deadline is bad(we still have 2 days to deadline - I'm sure we can get 6 votes if we needed to). I find the play of farside more scummy than monkey's actions this game.

I've got nothing new in respect to people. I think Adele and thephantom's comment saying murder instead of lynch was a weird thing. I will take weird over nothing any day just to get something going. Mostly I agree thephantom seems to be a follower behind Adele which I've always find scummie tell.

unvote
vote: thephantom

@thephantom: Okay fair enough. I just feel we are not getting anywhere. We have 4 pages and lots of slackers which makes this difficult at best. I am almost readiy to vote for lurkers just to see if it get them out of hiding.

unvote:

Seriously with all this lack of posting going on the only one person who looked scummie was Monkey for using his ability when he did. It made this day that was bad and slow to begin with worse and difficult to make any desicions at all.

Vote: Monkey

The vote and the backtrack on thephantom is suspicious. And the entire 'day is slow'-'hard to make decisions' statements while voting Monkey looks like someone who wants to be able to say 'Hey - i wasn't all that sure about Monkey - it was a slow day with nothing else to go on' later when Monkey turns up town.

Unvote. Vote : farside22

[farside22]

@ooba: Are you saying people aren't slacking in this game? It is difficult to base anything on anyone and some people were suspicious of Korts. Due to Monkey's play now there is next to nothing to go on which makes scum happy when there is a no lynch.

[ooba]

@ooba: Are you saying people aren't slacking in this game? It is difficult to base anything on anyone and some people were suspicious of Korts. Due to Monkey's play now there is next to nothing to go on which makes scum happy when there is a no lynch.

There is next to nothing to go on due to monkey's play?

Scum are even happier with a townie lynch..

[Adele]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

Both links are same - Link to Doom2.

Apologies; I don't know how that happened. viewtopic.php?t=4409&start=0 is the other - vegas showgirls.

And the arguments you present are

utterly

unconvincing to me.

1. Suggests that in-thread posting kills are underpowered compared to secret ones (though they are presumably instantaneous)
2. You say that, based on the foolishness of outguessing the mod, we can outguess the mod more effectively
3. You suggest he should as sk lie low - which is WIFOM.

Sorry, no dice.

[Sir Tornado]

End of Day 1

Despite all the best efforts, the combined powers of 10 mutants are unable to decide who is to be lynched on the first day of discussion. you retire for the night. But, of course, not all of you are going to sleep for the whole night, are you?

Vote Count

Monkey - 5 (Adele, farside22, Pug89, Lloyd, logicticus)
farside22 -1 (Ooba)

It is now Night 1. Night choices due in 72 hours. This makes deadline for night choices as 1830 GMT on Wednessday the 27th

[Sir Tornado]

It is now day. You all wake up and gather at the town center. Curiously, it seems that two among your number are missing. A quick count reveals that it is Adele and thephantom.

Searching the camp, it does not take you long to find out thephantom's body. You quickly identify him as

Shadowcat

and go over to his house to see exactly what he was upto. The house reveals nothing out of ordinary and you conclude that thephantom was, after all, just another townie. Just like you. Like most of you anyway.

However, Adele's body proves to be a different matter, as you are witness to a scene worthy of melodrama. Monkey is the first to identify who Adele was.

"Jean! No, it cannot be!"

As the rest of you gather around Adele's body, another strange thing happens. You hear a shout behind you. You turn back to find that Monkey has stabbed himself. He is dead.

Going over to Monkey's house, you find that it is strewned with pictures of Jean Grey. It takes no genius to figure out that he was Cyclops. He was, also town, you decide.

But, the surprises of the morning aren't over yet. As you go over to Adele's house to see who she was, you find that the house is not empty. Going inside, you find someone sitting there. It's Adele! And she's clearly alive.

Surprised by the happenings of the night, you go to the town center to decide who to lynch on day 2.

thephantom

, Shadowcat (town)

killed night 1

Adele

, Jean Grey (????) killed night 1

Monkey

, Cyclops (town)

committed suicide dawn 2

Adele

resurrected dawn 2

[farside22]

ooba:

A no lynch has been proven to be more bennifical to scum then town. Confusion is a great tool.

[Adele]

poor Monkey. Didn't see that coming.

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

[thephantom]

Wow should have stayed home I guess.

Bah!
Go Town Kill the Scum!

[ooba]

ooba: A no lynch has been proven to be more bennifical to scum then town. Confusion is a great tool.

Could you explain this?

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

??