Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

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Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin

RossWilliam WAGON
petroleumjelly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), al_kohaulec(town), Battle Mage

JDGA(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22

Beep! Beep!(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22, Talitha(town), PookyTheMagicalBear

Monkey(town) WAGON
Mastermind of Sin, Sarcastro(town), Holy, MeMe, PookyTheMagicalBear, al_kohaulec(town)

Pooky was on FIVE of these wagons
Farside/CB was on THREE
Pj on TWO
Mastermind on TWO
hasdgfas on TWO
RossWiliam on TWO

Pooky's bandwagon vote on me yesterday was very suspicious. I also see the case against farside. Farside might only be more careful than Pooky. I would be willing to vote for wither Pooky or farside today.

I want Pooky to explain in detail why he joined every wagon. Can scum be that brazen and in-your-face?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think it is interesting how everyone seems to be forgetting this post in reference to farside

That said why hasn't anyone asked what the picture of the doctor is. Obviously there are pictures on each of the cards. The mason on perry mason (cute) and the town has a pic. Well the pic on my card is on Bones McCoy from Star Trek. All I thought to say when I got it was "Damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a miracle worker."

he claimed doctor, and knew what the picture was BEFORE the actual doc picture was shown. I am not sure why he has 4 votes already? Are these the same pictures used at Thesp? Can people please explain to me why this is a good lynch?

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I thought that Monkey was the Doctor. Monkey's card had Star Trek's Doctor McCoy.

[curiouskarmadog]

right right...keep going with it...who else claimed doc yesterday.

[MeMe]

I don't think anyone's forgotten that, ckd -- see 1) Sarc's post where he pointed out that mith had already said elsewhere on the site what the pic on the doctor card was and 2) Talitha's demonstration of how easy it was to find Thesp's doc card link.

[curiouskarmadog]

ohhhh....I guess I missed that (going back to reread because apparently I need to).

[Holy]

^I did what Talitha pointed about how to find it, I got doc and cop card from there.

Vote: farside22.

After this, I'm leaning to vote the missing players from her list, although I'm pretty sure she also listed her 'too scummy' friend too.

[hasdgfas]

Two docs?

FoS: farside22

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Did farside actually claim Doctor? Is farside referring to this game, or an actual Thespical RL game? The wording is too strong to be a breadcrumb. Was Monkey at rish of being lynched when she made that statement?

I'm asking this because I checked Monkey's posts, and nowhere does Monkey vote against farside. Nor did Monkey counterclaim.

Something is not making sense, and I don't know what it is.

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah he claimed, but in a game this size having 2 doctors (or a back up) is not that uncommon.

[Mastermind of Sin]

farside definitely claimed doctor.

I am the doctor.

farside claimed on Feb 10th, and Monkey last posted on Feb 11th, then started lurking, it looks like. I don't think there was enough time for Monkey to formulate a plan for reacting to farside's claim. Counterclaim is almost definitely out of the question this early in the game, because that just exposes the real doc to scum. Scum often claim doc for exactly that purpose. No one will counterclaim them, and if they do, it's worth the trade. If Monkey had reacted too strongly or too quickly to farside's claim, it might've been just as bad as counterclaiming.

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yeah he claimed, but in a game this size having 2 doctors (or a back up) is not that uncommon.

Would they have the exact same card, though?

There is no indication from Monkey's card, or from farside's claim, that either was a backup.

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Sorry, I missed that farside wagon. I have revised my analysis.

Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin

RossWilliam WAGON
petroleumjelly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), al_kohaulec(town), Battle Mage

JDGA(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22

farside WAGON
PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro(town), Talitha, RossWilliam, al_kohaulec(town), MeMe, curiouskarmadog)

Beep! Beep!(town) WAGON
hasdgfas, Monkey(town), RossWilliam, farside22, Talitha(town), PookyTheMagicalBear

Monkey(town) WAGON
Mastermind of Sin, Sarcastro(town), Holy, MeMe, PookyTheMagicalBear, al_kohaulec(town)

Pooky was on SIX of these wagons
Farside/CB was on THREE (out of 5 because one wagon was on her)
RossWiliam on THREE
Pj on THREE
Mastermind on TWO
hasdgfas on TWO
MeMe on TWO

I don't believe in the "two doctor" theory.

vote: farside22

[Battle Mage]

shit this is not going well...
Id like to hear from Farside before i join the wagon.
meantime,

FoS: Farside

Cant believe AlKo and Talitha were town, and that Sarc wasnt Jester tbh.
This game is very strange...

BM

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't believe in the "two doctor" theory.

vote: farside22

why is that? Do you have a 20+ person game that you can reference or link us to that you ahve been in?...I think your conclusion of the evaluation of the wagons are lacking. You pointed out that Pooky has been on 5 of the wagons..and RW was on 3, but you think farside is the scum based on what?

I think you are deliberately misrepresenting the numbers here. You talk about the JDGA and Beep Beep wagon like they are two different people. They are not, the same people who thought JDGA was scummy, shouldn’t have to remove their vote because you replaced in. They still think JDGA was scummy, even though you replace in. I don’t think it was an accident that you have listed farside on both lynches.

Also I notice that you leave out one important person on the GS wagon.

Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin

Greasy Spot - 11

(curiouskarmadog, mith, PookyTheMagicalBear, Captain Bandwagon,

Cult of the Couch (1)

, Iammars, Mastermind of Sin,

wolfcrier

, Monkey, RossWilliam, Sarcastro)

Why is it you deliberately take wolf out of the line up on this wagon? Maybe because you replaced in for wolf/jdga?! Also in your first analysis you didn’t even include the farside wagon? I think you didn’t because you went into this argument TRYING to figure out a way to push for Farside.

This is obvious scum pushing for a Doctor lynch. Also, if you come up scum, FoS RW, because he has been in as many lynches (in your conclusion as farside), and you decided to leave him off the GS wagon as well.

vote beep beep

I think the wagon needs to freaking slow down a bit….I also note the lack of rereading before voting.

That being said, when I have time…I will get to that.

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Just a memo:

al kohalec only had one investigation. Since he voted/FOS'd the below players, none of these were the one cleared innocent. I reckon it doesn't give us much information, but here it is.

farside
Ross William
CKD
Sarcastro
Monkey

This is jumping the gun a bit. But assuming that Pooky is town (I have a hard time to believe that scum would be so blatantly wagonny) and that farside is scum, I have looked back at the previous days wagons:

Scum Scores:

With farside as unknown alignment

95 PJ
91 RossWilliam
88 hasdgfas
78 farside
53 MoS
50 BM
33 MeMe
33 Holy
33 karma
20 Iammars

With farside as scum

116 RossWilliam
108 PJ
83 hasdgfas
66 MeMe
58 MoS
58 karma
50 BM
33 Holy
25 Iammars

[RossWilliam]

What are scum scores? how do you calculate these?

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but you think farside is the scum based on what?

Based on a combination of wagoniness and the redundant doctor claim.

I think you are deliberately misrepresenting the numbers here. You talk about the JDGA and Beep Beep wagon like they are two different people.

You're correct, I am going to have to redo all my calculations.

Why is it you deliberately take wolf out of the line up on this wagon? Maybe because you replaced in for wolf/jdga?!

I must have grabbed a different votecount. But since I know myself to be a townie, it doesn't change anything.

Also in your first analysis you didn’t even include the farside wagon?

An oversight I have since corrected.

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Actually, the JDGA and Beep Beep wagons were two independent wagons, even if on the same player. My calculations hold.

[farside22]

I'm not sure why Thesp would have 2 doctors. I never went to Thesp game before or looked anything up, but that's just my word and I had no clue another doctor would be out there.
Since there is little I can say in my defense on this matter I would look at Holy and Pooky after my lynch. Holy sent my scum radar off with her lack of comments and quick vote.
For those saying the mafia didn't kill me last night, why would they when Monkey came up doctor. I make a perfect target for today. You can say WIFOM all you want, but that is what I'm reading from some people and why they are voting against me.

[RossWilliam]

Beep Beep, you didn't answer my question. I looked in the wiki and I don't see anything about scum scores. Would you please explain? the numbers by themselves don't mean anything.

But than again that goes perfectly with what your doing, with your presenting of flawed information to try and put a target on a select group of players. Honestly? I wouldn't be suprised if you were farside's scumbuddy at this point. Your info is off-base, but I bet you think by saying it with so much sureness you're gonna convince people. And if you succeed in that, you put yourself in a perfect position for scum. You've just set me up as your "number one scum with a 116 scum score" Why? First off, I can't even defend myself against your numbers cause you don't give me any way to do so. Very sneaky and very clever, but scummy as well. So you've conjured this information out of thin air, and than you left me of the greasy spot wagon. If it was on purpose, than once again, very sneaky, very clever, and scummy as well. That's a nasty move, because how am I legitimately supposed to defend myself from that? Um, she's lying? It's not going to work. You've just set me up with a slow sucker punch, but guess what? If I vote you, I look like I'm bussing. And I've been down that road already.

So please, explain yourself. What the hell are scum scores?

[hasdgfas]

Amen RW!

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For those saying the mafia didn't kill me last night, why would they when Monkey came up doctor.

Please provide a link to the post where a player is pointing out that you should have been nightkilled las night. I am not seeing this post.

But now that you mention it, if you are a second doctor, the scum would have killed you rather than take a chance on some other player that might be doc-protected.

Vote stands.

[RossWilliam]

I don't appreciate being ignored beep beep. my post is number 995 in case you missed it.

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I can't even defend myself against your numbers cause you don't give me any way to do so.

That's unfortunate.

So you've conjured this information out of thin air, and than you left me of the greasy spot wagon.

If you were on the GS wagon, then I should add a few points to your score. Since you are in the lead, it makes no difference.

If I vote you, I look like I'm bussing.

That sentence is not something a townie would write.

So please, explain yourself. What the hell are scum scores?

It is a system. If you notice, each score can be made up by adding the numbers 20, 25, 33, and 50. It is not abitrary.