Penalty Box Mafia - Eagles. Game over. Scum wins (0-1)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yea, but we haven't claimed our positions, and Foolster said we can't go around claiming stuff until after the lineup is posted. If Primate knew what our positions were, that would help.

[Flameaxe]

Since the first period just ended (day 3), we should be able to have locker room chats, obvobv.

[Primate]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

[Lowell]

Why would lineup be random? Just pick the six least scummy people...

Also, I like how we lynch scum every time and are "losing". This game is retarded.

Primate, I'm up for claim too. Who do you want to go first?

[Primate]

Why would lineup be random? Just pick the six least scummy people...

Also, I like how we lynch scum every time and are "losing". This game is retarded.

Primate, I'm up for claim too. Who do you want to go first?

But Foolster just randomly selected a new scum, so all of our opinions up until this point mean absolutely nothing.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

I don't know of anything in particular. My role wasn't any different from the ones Oman and CPE had. I didn't have any special abilities. I believe that the hawks were scored on the first time because all three of us were on the ice D1. Also, I told you not to put CPE on the ice! =P <3

[Primate]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

I don't know of anything in particular. My role wasn't any different from the ones Oman and CPE had. I didn't have any special abilities. I believe that the hawks were scored on the first time because all three of us were on the ice D1. Also, I told you not to put CPE on the ice! =P <3

Eh, least I knew enough to keep you off. I'm annoyed about being wrong about CPE though.

Mostly what I'm asking is do the scum have any kind of kill or way of re-arranging the list that I give in a day. But also any kind of roleblock or way of doing something with penalties? Did you have safe claims, and if you did, it is actually a safe claim or do you actually get a better result from being in that position over just being on the ice.

[JDodge]

Mod:

If you're going to essentially make the first three days useless for us by shuffling the scum, could you at least do the same for the other team so that we have at least

some

chance?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think it really matters who we put on the ice, since we don't know who the new scum is.

Mos, what are the scum capable of?

Pretty much everything in your old pm you can get away with without quoting pls.

And honestly the claiming was the entire reason I wanted this phase, so I know where to put you, if we're not allowed to do that, I agree with Mos that my list might as well be random (literally).

I don't know of anything in particular. My role wasn't any different from the ones Oman and CPE had. I didn't have any special abilities. I believe that the hawks were scored on the first time because all three of us were on the ice D1. Also, I told you not to put CPE on the ice! =P <3

Eh, least I knew enough to keep you off. I'm annoyed about being wrong about CPE though.

Mostly what I'm asking is do the scum have any kind of kill or way of re-arranging the list that I give in a day. But also any kind of roleblock or way of doing something with penalties? Did you have safe claims, and if you did, it is actually a safe claim or do you actually get a better result from being in that position over just being on the ice.

If I had any of that information, I would've told you already. I know less about this setup than you do.

[Shanba]

ok...

that's seriously frustrating. I'm still of the opinion we should massclaim.

[Primate]

Well, CPE had a false claim. Are you saying you didn't have one?

Or are you literally saying you don't have any of the information I'm asking for, that you don't know whether you used to have a kill or not, because I find that bizarre.

[Flameaxe]

Mod:

If you're going to essentially make the first three days useless for us by shuffling the scum, could you at least do the same for the other team so that we have at least

some

chance?

I agree entirely. All of our reads in our game are useless now. Why shouldn't theirs? It's like starting on day 1 compared to starting on day 4 with loads of information.

[Lowell]

Sorry, I don't really understand. If it's true that we have a new scum that wasn't scum before, then I no longer see the point of claiming, since presumably the new scum would have a town role PM. Or am I missing something?

[Flameaxe]

Position claiming.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well, CPE had a false claim. Are you saying you didn't have one?

Or are you literally saying you don't have any of the information I'm asking for, that you don't know whether you used to have a kill or not, because I find that bizarre.

CPE had a false claim? I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. The scum haven't been able to talk to anyone all game, since it's nightless. I don't know anything about a kill or false claims or anything like that. I don't know where you're getting that from.

[Primate]

CPE was a 'defensive left wing'. He was, however, not really a 'defensive left wing' he was a mafia. Ditto w/Oman and 'forward right wing'. These obviously weren't their real roles, as a scum defensive left wing isn't actually a defensive left wing because he isn't being defensive. He just has the name 'defensive left wing' in order to allow him to claim safely in a game where presumably most of the other players have some idea of what position they're meant to be in.

From the other thread:

Seems fair to randomize a scum, but not all three.

l-o-l

I'm against randomizing their scum, mostly cause two wrongs don't make a right. I'm annoyed enough with this game, and I don't want the untouched half of this game to become annoyed it either. Lets just do it the honest way and bitch about it when we lose.

[Primate]

Sorry, I don't really understand. If it's true that we have a new scum that wasn't scum before, then I no longer see the point of claiming, since presumably the new scum would have a town role PM. Or am I missing something?

Because there's more town than scum now, and also we now know for sure that the scum have no way of screwing with us, so we can make an effort to put our best people on the ice in the right position. Also, behavioral things don't matter anymore, and probably the best way to catch scum we have available to us at the minute is just to throw people on the ice and see what happens.

[The Venerable Zorg]

bah i thought it was too good to be true that the mod slipped the name of the last scumbag. oh and by the way, Mastermind could still be scum. That would be a sly move by the Mod to help rectify the game.

[Lowell]

Okay I finally see what happened. I totally ignored that part of the lynch result post. I

knew

MoS was acting differently!

MOD

, how bout this? You randomize ONE of the other team's scum by randomly choosing one of the three and taking him/her out of the game, bring in a new player, and randomize which of the remaining players (including the newbie) becomes scum. Sound okay?

[Lowell]

Of course, that requires yet another replacement, but whatever.

Primate, I'm a forward by trade. Don't put me in goal.

Double post.

[Primate]

Okay I finally see what happened. I totally ignored that part of the lynch result post. I

knew

MoS was acting differently!

MOD

, how bout this? You randomize ONE of the other team's scum by randomly choosing one of the three and taking him/her out of the game, bring in a new player, and randomize which of the remaining players (including the newbie) becomes scum. Sound okay?

Cause this game has been great with replacements. Finding a new player I'm sure will be very easy.

[Foolster41]

No, I won't be doing that , since it requires finding an extra replacement (I'm still loking for 1 as it is.)

I know it seems unfair but any kind of randomizing of scum on the other side where ther's more than 1 scum alive would be just too compolicated. I'm considering other ways to give your team a small advantage because of this. It might be sometihng that you won't actually see directly.

[Mastermind of Sin]

CPE was a 'defensive left wing'. He was, however, not really a 'defensive left wing' he was a mafia. Ditto w/Oman and 'forward right wing'. These obviously weren't their real roles, as a scum defensive left wing isn't actually a defensive left wing because he isn't being defensive. He just has the name 'defensive left wing' in order to allow him to claim safely in a game where presumably most of the other players have some idea of what position they're meant to be in.

I didn't really see that as a safe claim. I assumed that's the position we're best at as a player. Like, when I play Ultimate I'm best as a handle. If I played for another team, I would still play handle, even if I was trying to subtly cost them the game at the same time. The wording of the scum role pm implies that we ARE that role AND scum. Nothing in the wording implies that it's a safe claim. I believe this is supported by the fact that my role didn't change other than ceasing to be scum now.

[Lowell]

Here's a suggestion. To overcome the randomness of the new scum, I suggest Primate randomly suggest a player and we quicklynch them. This gives the other team (that DOESN'T have this disadvantage) less time to think about their decision, which presumably helps the scum in the other game.

Thoughts?

[Primate]

Sounds good to me. Everyone claim so I can get a full list up then we can go off on one of the lurkers.

I know it seems unfair but any kind of randomizing of scum on the other side where ther's more than 1 scum alive would be just too compolicated. I'm considering other ways to give your team a small advantage because of this. It might be sometihng that you won't actually see directly.

PS: Thanks to the fact we had a backup die, we know that whoever claimed Captain is confirmed innocent. But you've robbed that from us, so can we have our confirmed innocent back in some form or another pls.