Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

[Patrick]

This is correct. He seemed to be casting some suspicion towards opie but he was unwilling to place a vote on him. The vote only came after the case was fostered by Adel and a few people expressed at least minimal support for the case. If you could point me in the direction of this meta that supports that he does this as town, that would be nice.

I caught a bit of a similar vibe off one of his posts in Big Love Mafia (which I wasn't in, but I like to dip into alot of games). It's This Post which he made shortly after Ether replaced in. Particularly the bit where he said, "Could you provide more detailed reasons? At a glance, your suspicions make a lot of sense, though." It seemed like he was kind of supporting it whilst encouraging her to lay out the case. Guardian was town.

Also, in Pick your Poison Mafia, which I was also in as town, Guardian was accused of something similar in the sequence starting with This Post. Kind of waiting to see how other people would react to the case before pushing it further. (Guardian is town, Setael is scum). Also, now I'm thinking about it, in This Post Guardian pretty much completely strawmanned someone's case against him, when that player presented alot of theoretical possibilities and he broke them down and addressed them as if they were all true simultaneously.

These aren't exactly the same as what's happened in this game, but seeing him do those things as town makes me think that there's at least a reasonable chance that he's genuine in saying that he doesn't believe what you've called him out on is scummy. It doesn't make it all go away but does mean that I'm more suspicious of several other people.

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Votecount #14

opie - 4 (Adel, Oman, Guardian, ChaosOmega)

Guardian - 2 (opie, Incognito)
Jitsu - 2 (Erg0, Patrick)
Oman - 1 (Jitsu)
Xyltixlm - 1 (Matt_S)
TrustGossip - 1 (pickemgenius)
Matt_S - 1 (Xylthixlm)

Not voting - 0 (nobody)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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[Incognito]

I've read through the Big Love Mafia game, and I think that situation was very different from the one we have here with opie. The Pick Your Poison Mafia scenario, on the other hand, does seem very similar to what has happened in our game though. That addresses at least one point of my case but there's so much more to my case than his lack of backing up his suspicions with a vote (for example, his reaction(s) to my case). I think my vote is still in the right spot for now.

[Erg0]

I pity you both for having read Big Love.

[Incognito]

I didn't read all 110 pages of it. o_O

[Patrick]

Erg0, I was a rantbuddy to like 4 of the players in Big Love, but I certainly didn't read it all.

[Erg0]

I still pity you.

Coming soon: content!

[Matt_S]

Patrick: I didn't like Xylthixlm's comments because it seemed he tried to destroy people's credibility without actually proving anything. Seemed to be trying to attract negative attention to other people without reason. As for Incognito, he and Guardian got uncooperative, and it seemed Incognito contributed more to the conflict. Probably just caused by anger, but stating that you won't answer a person's questions isn't constructive no matter what the reasons.

I don't really see Jitsu as scummy. He contributed quite a bit, and he asked lots of questions, which I like. People said he backed down after opie grew more unpopular. The way I see it, he made his points and moved on. Jitsu offers explanations for why he does things, and his explanations seem satisfactory, though a little complicated and hard to follow.

[Adel]

I, too, would support a Jitsu lynch as opposed to a Matt_S lynch.

I'm shocked.

[Incognito]

I, too, would support a Jitsu lynch as opposed to a Matt_S lynch.

I'm shocked.

Why?

[Guardian]

I re-read Erg0, cuz I had this creepy suspicion about him. And I liked his case on Jitsu. 129 really does seem like a back-out/turnaround. But, Oman posted that he had been joking a bit before... so I could see Jitsu reacting to that.

I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.

unvote vote: Jitsu

I was sympathetic with Erg0's case, and Patrick's, so I want to see where this wagon takes me.

opie remains suspicious for me.


oh: Incognito, you're voting badly. protip: unvote.

[Jitsu]

I re-read Erg0, cuz I had this creepy suspicion about him. And I liked his case on Jitsu. 129 really does seem like a back-out/turnaround. But, Oman posted that he had been joking a bit before... so I could see Jitsu reacting to that.

I don't really know what else to say. Saying that post 129 seemed like a back-out/turnaround is pointless, but I've already admitted that it was a turnaround. I explained my reasons as best I could. My opinions did change because I decided to reread with a more open mind and then saw other possibilities on how to interpret things. I am always seeking additional information to validate/contradict my theories, and I am not afraid to change my mind if I think I might be wrong.

Guardian, now more than a few pages ago, you didn't seem to agree with the case against me. But now you like Erg's case against me? I'd like you to explain specifically what changed your mind, please. Though actually, I'm not convinced that you really believe the case on me as much as you say you do.

Regardless of whether that's true or not, I'm not going to crumble or crack under the pressure, because I'm innocent, and it is in the town's best interest that I not do so.

My explanations of what happened were the truth, and I've already tried to clear things up a couple of times. If someone has questions for me or wants me to explain something further, I am more than happy to do so. I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.

Also, I can see that the pressure on me is benefitting the town. Things should be a little clearer to me once I see how this wagon proceeds against me and how people react to it.

In any case, I no longer think Oman is the best place for my vote. I'm still trying to figure out who is, but now, it's best that I

Unvote

for now.

I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.

I know that are right (because I am innocent), but I admit I'm curious to hear how you came to this conclusion.

[Adel]

A word of advice for those preparing metas on other players, comparing day 1 bahavior to behavior on later days is a clear apples to oranges comparison.

[Patrick]

A word of advice for those preparing metas on other players, comparing day 1 bahavior to behavior on later days is a clear apples to oranges comparison.

Not necessarily. It depends what habit you're looking at.

[Guardian]

Guardian, now more than a few pages ago, you didn't seem to agree with the case against me. But now you like Erg's case against me? I'd like you to explain specifically what changed your mind, please.

My mind changed, significantly? Re-reading the case made me want to vote you.

Though actually, I'm not convinced that you really believe the case on me as much as you say you do.

How much is that, anyways?

Regardless of whether that's true or not, I'm not going to crumble or crack under the pressure, because I'm innocent, and it is in the town's best interest that I not do so.

Ah, but if you were scum, you would totally crumble and crack under pressure, to help the town out?

I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.

That's cool. I totally fear the spotlight. Spotlight is one step away from lynch, and me being lynched is about the worst contribution I can make for my faction.

I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.

I know that are right (because I am innocent), but I admit I'm curious to hear how you came to this conclusion.

Their cases on you aren't one sentences FOS's. They are long, detailed, and they have both been trying to encourage others to lynch you. BUSing you when no one else was suspicious of you with so many other potential lynch targets doesn't make sense.

[Adel]

@oman do you still feel that Jitsu is pro-town? He was so good as town in our last game together, and I buy him as town so far in this game, that I want to defend him. Care to join me?

[Jitsu]

My mind changed, significantly? Re-reading the case made me want to vote you.

I don't know if it was a significant change or not. In 307, you said you didn't see the inconsistency. Now you do. Erg0's case was decently made, but I don't see what details he added about the turnaround that Incognito hadn't touched on before. Maybe you could enlighten me?

Though actually, I'm not convinced that you really believe the case on me as much as you say you do.

How much is that, anyways?

Regardless of whether that's true or not, I'm not going to crumble or crack under the pressure, because I'm innocent, and it is in the town's best interest that I not do so.

Ah, but if you were scum, you would totally crumble and crack under pressure, to help the town out?

I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.

That's cool. I totally fear the spotlight. Spotlight is one step away from lynch, and me being lynched is about the worst contribution I can make for my faction.

I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.

I know that are right (because I am innocent), but I admit I'm curious to hear how you came to this conclusion.

Their cases on you aren't one sentences FOS's. They are long, detailed, and they have both been trying to encourage others to lynch you. BUSing you when no one else was suspicious of you with so many other potential lynch targets doesn't make sense.[/quote]

[Jitsu]

Ugh, my login timed out and my reply got largely lost. I will fix it later tonight.

[pickemgenius]

Jitsu was the one I was curious about when I wasn't voting for opie.

Jitsu has made me fairly uncurious, and I feel better about.

Vote: Opie

[Erg0]

Right now I'm not sure whether Jitsu was trying to cover himself with his original reversal, or if he's trying to cover himself for the reversal now. The explanation makes some sense, but I have to ask:

Jitsu, I got the feeling when reading your post 129 that you were trying to give the impression that you'd figured things out earlier than you actually had. Do you think that this is a fair statement?

[Oman]

Please don't lead the witness Erg0.

I'm uncertain about PEG's vote thar. What is the connection between you, Opie, and Jitsu, Peg?

[Patrick]

@oman do you still feel that Jitsu is pro-town? He was so good as town in our last game together, and I buy him as town so far in this game, that I want to defend him. Care to join me?

You called Opie's early case on Guardian bullshit, and voted him for it. When opie made the case, Jitsu expressed agreement with it, and threw a FoS on Guardian, whilst voting someone who you apparently believe is protown. I tend to think going along with a bad case is worse if anything than putting it forward to start with, so I don't see why you aren't also at least a bit suspicious of Jitsu for supporting a case that you think is crap. Please explain what is so great about Jitsu in this game that makes you think he's town.

[Erg0]

Was that a leading question? I'm trying to get an idea of Jitsu's motivations here, as I think they're relevant to the interpretation of his behaviour.

[Oman]

@oman do you still feel that Jitsu is pro-town? He was so good as town in our last game together, and I buy him as town so far in this game, that I want to defend him. Care to join me?

Eh, missed that.

Well, I would be happy to help you. I feel that Jitsu is flailing a bit, but I do not believe him to be scum / he should not be lynched yet. I should go through looking at the cases on him. I'd be willing to be there is at least 1 or 2 scum on him right now.

[Adel]

One of the few players here that I have any meta on, and that is that she always looks like scum to me. .

A couple of questions--

did you hear that ryan just got banned recently for posting a role PM in a game? ABR got me lynched day 1 or day 2 in my next four games after that, he was town aligned in all four and I was only scum in the last one. I was the doctor two of those times. He just posted in MD that he is only going to mod for now on. What was notable about my play in Friends and Enemies?

[Adel]

@oman do you still feel that Jitsu is pro-town? He was so good as town in our last game together, and I buy him as town so far in this game, that I want to defend him. Care to join me?

You called Opie's early case on Guardian bullshit, and voted him for it. When opie made the case, Jitsu expressed agreement with it, and threw a FoS on Guardian, whilst voting someone who you apparently believe is protown. I tend to think going along with a bad case is worse if anything than putting it forward to start with, so I don't see why you aren't also at least a bit suspicious of Jitsu for supporting a case that you think is crap. Please explain what is so great about Jitsu in this game that makes you think he's town.

He may be scum.
opie

is

scum.

I prefer to pick the low-hanging fruit.