PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[Guardian]

Fonz: I have Two votes in the unvote area.
eg, I could vote twice. I'm wondering about that.

Twomz: Goblin finder? o.O No idea how to respond to that. Your role name makes sense with mine, but as for me being a goblin... I'm not, and I have no idea, man. Goblin finder??


I'd really rather not claim my results until the three who I have mentioned comment on each other. Then I'll be happy to.

[Rogueben]

Hi guys.

Going to start reading this asap. I'll try and catch up over this weekend. In the meantime I have read the last few pages.

@Guardian - I know you have some questions for me about other players, I will attend to those once I've read the thread.

Reading Twomz claim I am going to

Vote: Guardian

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Please give us your results now Guardian, I don't see how holding them back anymore can help.

[Guardian]

I want your and other's comments on the record before I reveal.

This will definitely help, even if I end up being mis-lynched today. Trust me on that. But hm, maybe if I claim now I'm more likely to be believed and less likely mis-lynched? *ponder*

I find it a little suspicious how you vote me after a goblin-finder claim in a game called pirates and ninjas after not having read the game.

[Flameaxe]

I want your and other's comments on the record before I reveal.

This will definitely help, even if I end up being mis-lynched today. Trust me on that. But hm, maybe if I claim now I'm more likely to be believed and less likely mis-lynched? *ponder*

I find it a little suspicious how you vote me after a goblin-finder claim in a game called pirates and ninjas after not having read the game.

That means that goblins can't exist....why?

[Twomz]

@ Guardian: Seriously man, I didn't know what to think either. For a while I thought there weren't even any goblins in the game... until you claimed someone from LotR and the result was Goblin /shrug.

From my perspective all I can see is that you lied and are still lying about it. If I do turn out to be some sort of insane cop or w/e then I'll curl up in a corner and die, but the pieces fall into place too well for that.

And the tracker claim doesn't make sense for a neutral survival role unless you can actually track. So I'm assuming you are really a Goblin who can track? Or are you just going by a scum groups night targets and guessing at results to try to get players lynched? Either way, revealing the result now is better than later because it makes the result more authentic (the longer you wait the more info you have for a fake result).

@ Everyone: No quicklynching :glare: there is still plenty to talk about.

[Rogueben]

You are asking me to comment on three players play in a 42 page game when I've known about the game for all of 20 minutes. I think that is slightly unreasonable.

I find it a little suspicious how you vote me after a goblin-finder claim in a game called pirates and ninjas after not having read the game.

I have read the last few pages and find that you are the most suspicious FROM THOSE. I think that your reluctance to post results is scummy, not in itself, but because of the tentativeness in your posting (see 1007).
I would prefer that you post your result now, before all these questions are answered, because it seems to me like you are trying to get information to help a fake-claim.
I will answer your questions, after I have read through the thread and formed opinions about those players that you asked.

[Guardian]

OK, I've been thinking for 10 minutes, and I guess it is better for me to reveal now.

I tracked Erg0 last night. Yes, he went to cow.

I asked those 5 people to comment on each other, because I hoped some would defend Erg0 (Fonz & Thok seemed to), and I thought that would be good information for us to have.

ANyways,

vote: Erg0

In case I have 2 votes for some funky reason (see the votecount I quoted)

vote: Erg0

again .

I have no idea what to think about Goblin finder, or me being "found as a Goblin", but I'm not one.

Erg0, unless he has some really great information about why he targeted cow, is scum. He should be today's lynch. If he isn't scum, feel free to lynch me the next day. But I'm fairly sure he is scum, I can't think of a reason for a town player to be targeting cow last night.

[cicero]

I can think of at least one reason why scum would know who else is scum though...

Beautiful house of cards element to this game.

[Flameaxe]

OK, I've been thinking for 10 minutes, and I guess it is better for me to reveal now.

I tracked Erg0 last night. Yes, he went to cow.

I asked those 5 people to comment on each other, because I hoped some would defend Erg0 (Fonz & Thok seemed to), and I thought that would be good information for us to have.

ANyways,

vote: Erg0

In case I have 2 votes for some funky reason (see the votecount I quoted)

vote: Erg0

again .

I have no idea what to think about Goblin finder, or me being "found as a Goblin", but I'm not one.

Erg0, unless he has some really great information about why he targeted cow, is scum. He should be today's lynch. If he isn't scum, feel free to lynch me the next day. But I'm fairly sure he is scum, I can't think of a reason for a town player to be targeting cow last night.

Why wait when you have a "cop" with a guilty?

[Guardian]

OK, I've been thinking for 10 minutes, and I guess it is better for me to reveal now.

I tracked Erg0 last night. Yes, he went to cow.

I asked those 5 people to comment on each other, because I hoped some would defend Erg0 (Fonz & Thok seemed to), and I thought that would be good information for us to have.

ANyways,

vote: Erg0

In case I have 2 votes for some funky reason (see the votecount I quoted)

vote: Erg0

again .

I have no idea what to think about Goblin finder, or me being "found as a Goblin", but I'm not one.

Erg0, unless he has some really great information about why he targeted cow, is scum. He should be today's lynch. If he isn't scum, feel free to lynch me the next day. But I'm fairly sure he is scum, I can't think of a reason for a town player to be targeting cow last night.

Why wait when you have a "cop" with a guilty?

My reasons are quoted in the post you are quoting.........

[The Fonz]

I can think of at least one reason why scum would know who else is scum though...

Beautiful house of cards element to this game.

I may be being thick, but what's that?

[Flameaxe]

OK, I've been thinking for 10 minutes, and I guess it is better for me to reveal now.

I tracked Erg0 last night. Yes, he went to cow.

I asked those 5 people to comment on each other, because I hoped some would defend Erg0 (Fonz & Thok seemed to), and I thought that would be good information for us to have.

ANyways,

vote: Erg0

In case I have 2 votes for some funky reason (see the votecount I quoted)

vote: Erg0

again .

I have no idea what to think about Goblin finder, or me being "found as a Goblin", but I'm not one.

Erg0, unless he has some really great information about why he targeted cow, is scum. He should be today's lynch. If he isn't scum, feel free to lynch me the next day. But I'm fairly sure he is scum, I can't think of a reason for a town player to be targeting cow last night.

Why wait when you have a "cop" with a guilty?

My reasons are quoted in the post you are quoting.........

I'd rather lynch someone that has a guilty against them over the person who is guilty's tracking target.

[Guardian]

Well, do we even know what "goblin" means in this game?

Where do you get the connection that goblin = guilty?

Even with that, I'm not a goblin. I'll PM Stoofer to make sure, but uh, I'm *not* a goblin. I'm a *hobbit*.

I'm not surprised you want to vote me though Flameaxe, you wanted to late yesterday and I see no reason for you to be open-minded and try and find scum, instead of sticking with the same person forever. Oh wait, there are lots of good reasons for that .

[The Fonz]

I'd actually follow on the claimed tracker's results more often than the cop all things being equal. Cops can have variant sanities, trackers don't.

However all things are not equal: Erg0 looks town to me, and Guardian hella scummy.

[Guardian]

Fonz, you've said this repeatedly, but you've never quite explained why iirc.

So why find me suspicious?

[cicero]

I can think of at least one reason why scum would know who else is scum though...

Beautiful house of cards element to this game.

I may be being thick, but what's that?

Read the game rules. You're a sharp cookie. You'll figure it out.

[Mgm]

Remember how you were all anti-IH somewhere around day three or four... Romanus (your scum buddy) was the second leading wagon behind Aimee.

You continud voting IH (A non wagon), allowing Aimee to be lynched instead of Romanus, even though you said Aimee was most likely town AND that romanus was your second place scum.

Your reasoning was because IH was 'more scummy' to you, or some such.

I think you posted in the wrong thread, Skruffs.

[Mgm]

Question for Guardian: If Xtoxm was really "the person you were most cetain was protown", why didn't you say anything when he was coming under pressure yesterday for his OMGUS vote on me?

1) Hyperbole. Gorrad & Cow were more town to me, as was MBL, as was Scope after claim.

2) He wasn't anywhere near being lynched.

3) We *had* a discussion about how it is bad to post those who I am getting high town vibes from.

While Xtoxm wasn't anywhere near being lynched, we did have a known vig alive and Xtoxm was a likely vig candidate the way yesterday ended (moreover, there was a nontrivial chance he could have been today's wagon.) And there's a difference between randomly saying "hey here's a bunch of people I find protown" near a deadline when it can't help and going "Hey stop attacking X. He's likely town for these reasons and attacking him is misguided."

Xtoxm wasn't even a top 3 bandwagon. How could he possibly be a good vig target?

[Mgm]

Interesting developments. I'll sleep on those revelations and make a decision when I wake up tomorrow. Some response from Ergo with regard to Guardian's claim would be helpful in making that decision.

[The Fonz]

Fonz, you've said this repeatedly, but you've never quite explained why iirc.

So why find me suspicious?

The basically bad wagons you've pushed, the similiarity of your play here to that as scum elsewhere, your strawmanning of the case against you as merely being due to 'you being active,' and the not-entirely convincing flavour you offer.

[The Fonz]

I can think of at least one reason why scum would know who else is scum though...

Beautiful house of cards element to this game.

I may be being thick, but what's that?

Read the game rules. You're a sharp cookie. You'll figure it out.

Ah, the crosskill immunity bit. Gotcha.

I'm rather more inclined at this juncture to believe Guardian pulled his 'result' out of his ass, but it's worth bearing in mind.

[Skruffs]

MGM - read me and Guardian's last several posts before making assumptions.

Guardian already made the point I was intending to make; We don't know what a "goblin" is. For all we know, "goblin" might be hobbittese for "power role". On the other hand, it DOES explain Guardian's secondary name claim.

Twomz, actually, I just did some googling for you:
Samwise may be a "Goblin Miller".

[The Fonz]

That doesn't seem to really tally with Twomz' investigative flavour, though: that his sword changes colour when in the presence of a Goblin. Presumably, the sword would see through disguises?

[Flameaxe]

Well, do we even know what "goblin" means in this game?

Where do you get the connection that goblin = guilty?

Even with that, I'm not a goblin. I'll PM Stoofer to make sure, but uh, I'm *not* a goblin. I'm a *hobbit*.

I'm not surprised you want to vote me though Flameaxe, you wanted to late yesterday and I see no reason for you to be open-minded and try and find scum, instead of sticking with the same person forever. Oh wait, there are lots of good reasons for that .

I'm considering a Goblin finder getting a result of Goblin as a guilty, as thats what fits best with the flavor of the claim.

I'm voting you for being scum.

[Erg0]

LOL. I was iffy on this scenario until post 1056.

Vote: Guardian

I categorically deny targeting hasdfgas in any way last night.