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[armlx]

I'm not liking Ryan's current OMGUS defense, and I still don't like his first discussion with Sensfan at all. Back to where I was before this dumb cult business.

Very unjustified Joubert....

[pete d]

Vote Count

ryan (4): SensFan, aioqwe, Unity, armlx
Unity (2): Rosso Carne, vIQleS
aioqwe (1): thinktank
armlx (1): Joubert
Greasy Spot (1): Lloyd
SensFan (1): ryan

Not Voting (2): Gnome, Greasy Spot

With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch

[Greasy Spot]

My name is Seacret. My hair looks like I never comb it, but it's just a disguise.

[Rosso Carne]

Get off your high horse RC.

And as fun as another RVS would be,

Vote: Ryan

Cuz He's really defensive/offensive and I think we need to see what happens when we put him under the spotlight.

im the best, i deserve this thoroughbred.

i dont like the way ryan is playing, its real n00Bish to me i think. dont know if thats a good scumtell or maybe {since i care} cultie "ooo a new role, wonder how to play it" -tell.

[ryan]

I've attacked who I think should be attacked, if the game doesn't like that than you'll be losing a townie who can help when it comes to endgame

[Rosso Carne]

:whiney face:

[ryan]

Actually it's a statement

[armlx]

I've attacked who I think should be attacked, if the game doesn't like that than you'll be losing a townie who can help when it comes to endgame

Constantly referring to yourself as a townie is scummy. It does nothing but appeal to emotion which derails logic.

I am very happy with my vote.

[SensFan]

Yeah, in all the cult talks I had forgot about my vote on ryan, but his recent behaviour has really bothered me. Happy with my vote right now.

[armlx]

Yeah, in all the cult talks I had forgot about my vote on ryan, but his recent behaviour has really bothered me. Happy with my vote right now.

If he is scum, IGMEOY. That not random vote on pg 2 was kinda awkward.

[Joubert]

Armlx, since when OMGUSing someone is considered a hard-steel Scum tell?
Hmmm, I don't like this guy, so he must be Scum. This is not a justification...

[armlx]

Armlx, since when OMGUSing someone is considered a hard-steel Scum tell?

When with that person's vote it's evident your wagon is gaining enough speed to lead to a lynch very soon, OMGUSing is indeed a good scum tell.

And no scum tell is ever hard steel......

[aioqwe]

re-reading
Dun like Joub's defense.

Confirm Vote: Ryan

for recent actions.

[thinktank]

Not to play the meta but Ryan always plays the way he does regardless of whether he is town or scum. I've seen him come up town and scum based under the same evidence that you have given so I suggest getting better evidence to lynch him because right now you're voting for his play style rather than his actions which is not right.

[vIQleS]

My name is Seacret. My hair looks like I never comb it, but it's just a disguise.

Secret? or Seacrest?

Just wondering - just in case its important...

Ryan is at 4 votes, if the town wants to go with a Ryan lynch i'm ok with that, I thought we'd probably get more info from lynching Unity, but if we're not going there...

Maybe we need to bandwagon ryan to a claim and see where we go from there...

[armlx]

Maybe we need to bandwagon ryan to a claim and see where we go from there...

Works for me.

[Lloyd]

nervous cop=paranoid cop?

No. Nervous cops can find scums, but everyone else appears as neutral (i.e. not scum). Details at Dethy Extreme

My name is Seacret. My hair looks like I never comb it, but it's just a disguise.

What happened to the "I am ..."s?
Are you trying to same something about ryan in this game by typing Seacret instead of Seacrest?

[ryan]

vIQleS: You want me to claim on Day 1? I've got 4 votes on me and will not be claiming anytime soon. Why don't you come out and say "I'm scum and want your role to see if we can nightkill a power-role?" Because that's about what you're doing right now. I've done nothing so far to result in a lynch or to look guilty. Claiming you are town isn't a scumtell. There is no legit evidence on me to result in a lynch right now and the ones who are pushing it need to be looked at VERY closely.

[SensFan]

Claiming you are town isn't a scumtell.

Not sure about that part. Presumably, everyone will claim to be Town, and so it seems pointless, unless you are trying to reinforce the message for some reason. One possible reason would be that you are scum trying too hard to blend in. It's far from a strong tell, but I still think it can be a weak indication.

[ryan]

I agree it IS far from a strong tell, that's what I was explaining

[armlx]

You act like thats the only thing we have pushed on you.

First was your insistence GS was a Jester.

Next is how out of line your reactions are with standard behavior, and the last 15 or so pages of posts you have made on the site.

Next, though this point I'm least in agreement with, is how you have reacted to the cult.

Finally, this refusal to claim in response to 4 votes and a person not voting you asking for the claim (aka vote number 5) is really awkward. Seems like you are stalling b/c you have nothing.

[ryan]

1) Why my thoughts of GS being a jester are unjustified is beyond me, cannot I not look at the game and try and figure out his strange postings too? There was no consistent slamming people who didn't listen to me about him possibly being a jester, I brought it up earlier and asked for reactions and people immediately said that "Jester's aren't common" for these games (which isn't true as I just had a game where a jester was in it)

If a claim is so important to you armlx and if you really need to know my role, ask, I'm tired of being the "bad guy" in this game and looked upon as I'm hiding something or being scum. Why don't you explain how I should react in these games since my reactions have been "so out of line" What about the cult? What reactions have I had with the cult that make me scum?

If you want a claim armlx, ASK FOR IT! The only thing I've been guilty at to this point is not going after some of you with more piss and vinegar

[Unity]

Hey guys. I'm sorry I've been away. I came down with the flu so bad I've been bedridden since sunday morning. Briefly reading through the past few days I'm a little more comfortable with my vote on Ryan. Even after he and sensfan quit bickering there has still seemed to be this undertone of hostility between those two. Could be just conflicting personalities, but I think one of them is covering up. After the jester thing and all else I feel comfortable enough with my vote to leave it on, especially considering a no-lynch deadline.

I'm still pretty bad, but I think I can give you guys a post a day until I'm better.

[ryan]

Mod: When is the deadline?

[armlx]

1) Why my thoughts of GS being a jester are unjustified is beyond me, cannot I not look at the game and try and figure out his strange postings too? There was no consistent slamming people who didn't listen to me about him possibly being a jester, I brought it up earlier and asked for reactions and people immediately said that "Jester's aren't common" for these games (which isn't true as I just had a game where a jester was in it)

The thing is whether or not he is a Jester we aren't going to lynch him. He is either Jester and we don't lynch him, town with PR and don't lynch him, or mafia pretending to be town with PR and we don't lynch him till later when he screws up or we realize he's the only reasonable choice left. Saying he's the Jester only makes us flip out and lead to bad decision aka WIFOM aka scummy. Only scenario this isn't true is in an open game, where its valid discussion to find out who the Jester is.

If a claim is so important to you armlx and if you really need to know my role, ask, I'm tired of being the "bad guy" in this game and looked upon as I'm hiding something or being scum. Why don't you explain how I should react in these games since my reactions have been "so out of line" What about the cult? What reactions have I had with the cult that make me scum?

Your cult reaction is you tried to compare Rosso's claim (where he actually had info to back up knowledge of a cult) to your trying to pin GS as a Jester (which you only had in game analysis on). Role info >> in game analysis.

Instead of just saying "I'm not bad, you are b/c you are attacking me" when attacked, form arguments with more backing against people. However, from the posts of yours in other games I've looked at, it appears you already know how to do this and just aren't, which is one of my main points.

If you want a claim armlx, ASK FOR IT! The only thing I've been guilty at to this point is not going after some of you with more piss and vinegar

Did ask.

Maybe we need to bandwagon ryan to a claim and see where we go from there...

Works for me.