Mini 547 - Youthville - Abandoned on Day Three!

[CFK]

The Empty Votecount

Voting

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Rime Ice Fury – 0 (

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shaka!!, pickemgenius, TrustGossip, Rime Ice Fury, Cyberbob, Cephrir, CFK, Monkey, angelmouse, OhGodMyLife

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VRK sems a fairly random choice, I think that the 3 holes is just flavour.

[Cephrir]

I assume vanilla. Hope so.

There must be some reason the scum made that kill. Maybe because they/one of them are/is active and protownish and would be an obvious target?

3 bullet holes = 2 scum + SK? Or 2 scum + vig?

I'm pretty sure it's 1 bullet whole per mafia group.

I've been in a game where we've had a vig and an sk, so I think that is rather likely here.

3 killers in a mini is pretty unlikely.

[Monkey]

3 killers in a game whom all got their choices in 27 hours, ... very unlikely.

[CFK]

The fact that they all chose the same target would be an extreme feat of coincidence.

If I am honest, I think the reason they went for VRK was because the doc was unlikely to protect him.

[TrustGossip]

The fact that they all chose the same target would be an extreme feat of coincidence.

If I am honest

, I think the reason they went for VRK was because the doc was unlikely to protect him.

I'm assuming that this is a grammatically convoluted way of saying "If I may be frank" or something of the sort, otherwise it implies that there have been situations where you have not been honest in this game.

On other terms, where do we go from here? Is there any relevant information from last night that anyone is willing to share? As in,

did anyone get a guilty result that would be enormously helpful

?

*cough*

[OhGodMyLife]

TG, I disagree with your intimation that a cop should claim right now, even given a guilty result. This seems a lot like role fishing to me.

[pickemgenius]

TG, I disagree with your intimation that a cop should claim right now, even given a guilty result. This seems a lot like role fishing to me.

you're high.

guilty cop always claims ASAP.

[pickemgenius]

If I am honest, I think the reason they went for VRK was because the doc was unlikely to protect him.

This reads weirdly.

[OhGodMyLife]

Well all right then, I'm obviously not well versed in the game theory. I would think a cop could be more useful using the secret knowledge of guilt to watch who seems linked to said guilty party, but I don't actually have a lot of completed games under my belt.

[Cephrir]

There's probably a Doc. Hence the Cop claiming if they have a guilty.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Tarhalindur replaces Rime Ice Fury. Effective on confirmation.

[Cephrir]

Mod

, could you update the 1st post to list the dead and their alignment please?

[Tarhalindur]

Here. Need to reread.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Mod

, could you update the 1st post to list the dead and their alignment please?

Apologies. I thought this was refering to the start to Day 2 post!

[shaka!!]

On other terms, where do we go from here? Is there any relevant information from last night that anyone is willing to share? As in,

did anyone get a guilty result that would be enormously helpful

?

*cough*

Not only do I completely disagree but that is obviously role hunting.

vote: TrustGossip

TG, I disagree with your intimation that a cop should claim right now, even given a guilty result. This seems a lot like role fishing to me.

you're high.

guilty cop always claims ASAP.

A good cop doesn't need to claim with a guilty to lynch scum.

Possible buddy?

[pickemgenius]

On other terms, where do we go from here? Is there any relevant information from last night that anyone is willing to share? As in,

did anyone get a guilty result that would be enormously helpful

?

*cough*

Not only do I completely disagree but that is obviously role hunting.

vote: TrustGossip

TG, I disagree with your intimation that a cop should claim right now, even given a guilty result. This seems a lot like role fishing to me.

you're high.

guilty cop always claims ASAP.

A good cop doesn't need to claim with a guilty to lynch scum.

Possible buddy?

A good cop needs to claim right away with a guilty.


Failure to do this could lead to many scenarios:
1. Confusing the town as to why the hell they are going after someone
2. Getting voted for by the town
3. If at L-1 a cop claim with a guilty almost guarantees that person be the lynch of the day.
4. A guilty cop claim allows town more time to look for possible connections.
5. Getting Nightkilled due to not getting doc'd (presuming we have one)

Now shaka, you say a good cop doesn't need to claim a guilty to lynch that person. I disagree with you completely on that statement.

Role fishing by TG....come on, pass the blunt already, fuck... voting someone for playstyle is the easiest fucking vote you can make because it requires

ZERO BRAIN POWER OR EFFORT TO DO

, "Oh I disagree with your playstyle" Vote: imdumb

Seriously.....

[shaka!!]

If a cop knows someone is scum it is very easy for that cop to build a case against him. Let's say that you are the cop and last night you got a guilty investigation, if you went back and reread that player do you think that you would be able to build a case against them, knowing that they are scum? Would you rather have the cop build a case against guilty party and then get the chance to have another night investigation or would you rather have the cop come out into the open, claim his guilty investigation and then hope he gets protected by the doctor that we don't even know exists?

If you ask me it's an obvious choice. But I suppose this does come down to a matter of opinion.

Prehaps an

unvote:

is required.

Either way,

IGMEOY: TG and PEG

. I greatly dislike the idea of a cop claim and now that you have brought the issue out into the open makes it very hard for him to decide on what he is going to do, especially if he planned on building a case on his (possibly) guilty investigation.

[Cyberbob]

Shaka, you're assuming that the scum has actually committed scumtells in the thread. If they've been playing pretty well, or if there are scummier players in the game, trying to push for their lynch is likely to end up with you claiming anyway.

Having said that, why are people pushing for a cop claim when a) we don't even know if one is in the game, and b) they are more likely to have gotten an innocent result than a guilty one? I realise you're speaking in hypotheticals, but goddamn does it look like you're assuming a guilty result.

[shaka!!]

Role fishing by TG....come on, pass the blunt already, fuck... voting someone for playstyle is the easiest fucking vote you can make because it requires

ZERO BRAIN POWER OR EFFORT TO DO

, "Oh I disagree with your playstyle" Vote: imdumb

Seriously.....

Also, wrong. Playstyle would be

how

you role fish, not whether you role fish or not. My vote was not because he was role fishing in a particular way but rather because he was role fishing. I hate the idea of the cop coming forward.

[CFK]

While it is true that a cop should not claim if he gets an INNOCENT result (as the doc would have to choose between protecting the cop and the proven townie), if he gets a GUILTY result, he may as well come forward. (unless he feels that he can use SUBTLETY to get the guilty person lynched)

Also, less of the swearing please PEG.

[TrustGossip]

Having said that, why are people pushing for a cop claim when a) we don't even know if one is in the game, and b) they are more likely to have gotten an innocent result than a guilty one? I realise you're speaking in hypotheticals, but goddamn does it look like you're assuming a guilty result.

For once I agree with Cyberbob.

I've seen an example (the game is ongoing, so no link) of someone claiming a guilty result immediately and the town very promptly lynches that person. Such a situation at this point in the game would be worth the cop tradeoff. Since we are assuming a three-person group in a normal mini, that would be two scum down going into Day Three.

I wasn't fishing. I was simply being greedy for a near-idyllic Day Two. Forgive me for hoping...

[OhGodMyLife]

Idyllic would be the cop using his insider knowledge to get scum lynched WITHOUT having to trade his own life in the process.

[Cephrir]

He doesn't neccessarily have to since there is probably a Doc. And even if there isn't, the scum may avoid killing the Cop due to that possibility. If a Cop gets scum lynched without coming forward, he might draw a kill but not a protection.

This speculation over something that's probably irrelevant is getting us nowhere. We know Greasy was scum now, so we have more information than yesterday, and we should start using it.

[TrustGossip]

Idyllic would be the cop using his insider knowledge to get scum lynched WITHOUT having to trade his own life in the process.

This has too many variations on what could possibily happen to compete with an immediate claim. The latter is essentially a dayvig of a confirmed guilty party.

However, as it seems that this isn't the case, the difference of opinion is not a matter of contention.

I agree with Cephir that discussion should move on from this moot point.

I feel awkward for even bringing it up in the first place.

[pickemgenius]

I feel awkward for even bringing it up in the first place.

Don't, it usually gets brought up at some point.


I'm going to look for people who were connected to Greasy now.