eljcko wrote:No, but those are the two main ones, and the most reasonable. Do you think there are more? Just like to hear more thoughts as to other viewpoints, what do you think?
There's also the possibility that he could be Mafia with a dumb idea. But me personally, I think it's obvious that he's town with a dumb idea. Here's why: The problem with Khelvaster's idea being a "Mafia ploy" is that it requires two other things be true, which we have no substantiated evidence of: that Mafia somehow had safe role claims, and that the Mafia all had role claims that would survive this gambit.
Now, go back and read Khelvaster's original post -- it's obvious (and I'm sorry to have to do this, Khel, but people are voting for you and you should have done it yourself by now) from the way that his post is worded that his original role was one of the names he listed. That is a point in his favor. But even if you go the extra step and believe that he had a safe role claim, he still is running a gambit that could possibly out the entire rest of his team -- there's been no night, so he hastn't talked to his supposed cronies to find out if their safe role claims would fit into the gambit.
So in order for you to believe that Khelvaster's plan was a scummy attempt at outing power roles, you have to believe that (a) the Mafia have safe role claims and probably (b) the Mafia's role PMs also denote what safe role claims the other scum in the group have. That seems wildly irresponsible.
The thing that strikes me upon going back and looking at those first initial posts is that Matt_S clearly understands that this is the case, based on his post immediately after Khelvaster's post:
Matt_S wrote:I don't know whether to call you a scum or a power role.
It appears that he has read that Khelvaster is essentially claiming one of the nine names he listed, but he always seems to walk that line between the two options: power role, or scum. When he finally does jump on the Khelvaster bandwagon, he does so seemingly at random, and then when pressed gives reasons that don't stand up to his previous actions. Here, I'll quote it:
Matt_S wrote:I didn't want to vote him at first because I didn't think scum would ask for a mass name claim.
The more I thought about it, the more I've been thinking that a townie would ask for one on day 1.
I just don't get what Khelvaster's logic would be no matter what side he'd be on, and like you said we really don't have anything else to go on. Right now, this seems like the only good play other than voting Zyrconium for lurking, which we can do later.
Bolding mine. Moving off of the lurky lynch, he says "the more I think about it, the more likely it is he's town, but since you all are voting for him, why not?"
The logic that Matt_S seems to be missing seems pretty obvious to me:
1. I'm Fellowship.
2. If I'm Fellowship, there are probably other Fellowship roles out there.
3. If there are other Fellowship roles out there, there is a possibility that all nine are out there.
4. If there are nine Fellowship roles, they are the town.
That's not even hard to follow. Khelvaster readjusted his attacking points, but that is the logic flow of it, in a nutshell.
unvote, vote Matt_S
I think Matt_S got lucky, in that CoolBot came out as a non-Fellowship-er before he had to make a definitive stand. I think vanilla townie is the safest fake claim a scum can make. I think he is bandwagoning despite admitting that he thinks the actions of Khelvaster are more likely those of a townie. Is this the part where I type DIE SCUM DIE?
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