Adel, I've read over your case against opie and the only opie-post that I find myself disliking is this one (particularly the underlined):
Adel wrote:opie wrote:I guess I just don't understand why Erg0 is being targetted here,
which makes me suspicious of those voting for him
. I will say that looking back Adel's vote for him has was her first only vote thus far, so perhaps I was a bit hasty with my FOS at her, but something about this just doesn't sit right.
Opie: I'll tell you what was wrong with that picture: three townies were on a wagon of another townie without you or any of your scumbuddies being on the same wagon. You got very happy at having the opportunity to "prove" your pro-town credentials, and then you overreached with this post. If you were better at playing scum you would've waited a while longer before attacking the wagon for being baseless, instead to tried to create an early impression in other players that if Erg0 isn't scum, than Guardian or Oman or maybe even I must be.
I think you hit it on the nose when you state that he seems to be overreaching by extending his suspicions from Guardian and then trickling those same suspicions down onto the other two people who were on the wagon. My problem with your argument against opie is it doesn't factor Jitsu into the equation at all. What are your feelings about Jitsu? Do you not feel like Jitsu's reactions to the Erg0 wagon in some way mirrored opie's reactions?
Jitsu, in post 129, wrote:On a quick reread or the relevant posts from Opie's argument, Oman and Guardian don't sound quite as scummy as I had originally thought, but Guardian's reaction to the pressure on him was interesting. Instead of really addressing the points against him or simply stating he was trying to get reactions (the normal response to being called on pushing a random wagon), he retaliated against Opie and I and, and he did seem just a little evasive with his answers. Was it because Guardian is town and thus was justified to suspect Opie and I for attacking him (and holding back to see our reactions), or was it a scum that was a bit flustered for getting caught on something apparently insignificant? I don't know. At this point, my opinion of Guardian is neutral.
As for Opie, I'm not sure what to think. The random wagon on Erg0 did stick around longer than I would have expected. I admit I got a bit confused myself about what was serious and what was not. I think Opie could have made the same mistake. Could Opie be a scum that got caught overreacting? Yes. I'm not ready to place a vote on Opie yet, but I will be watching what happens with his wagon.
Jitsu, I find myself really disliking the above post. Firstly, could you please point out where Guardian finally admitted that the wagon on Erg0 was indeed random? Secondly, I can't help but get the feeling that you're trying to wipe your hands clean of your earlier actions. You seem to be casting some suspicion towards opie for reacting the way he did around the time of the Erg0 mini-wagon but earlier on, it was you who was claiming to agree with opie's initial posts against Guardian:
Jitsu, in post 73, wrote:I like Opie's post above.
@Guardian: Since you're voting for Erg0 and do seem to be making an attempt to push his wagon here, why don't you explain why you think Erg0 is more deserving of a vote than Oman?
Could you please explain these apparent inconsistencies? Did the re-read really make you feel that dramatically different about Guardian?
Guardian, here's what I dislike about the early happenings. I have no problem with you attempting to generate discussion. I even have no problem with random bandwagons. My problem though is it seems pretty evident to me that you were pretty serious with your thoughts about Erg0 especially when you mentioned the following:
Guardian, in post 43, wrote:Erg0, why do you want Oman to hang? And why are you threatening use of a day vig?
After a re-read, I think Erg0 is definitely the best place for our votes.
Prior to this post, Xylthixlm mentioned the following about Erg0:
Xylthixlm, in post 42, wrote:This discussion is detracting from the process of lynching... who has the most votes? Erg0? This discussion is detracting from the process of lynching Erg0.
but yet Xylthixlm never followed up said statement with a vote against Erg0. My issue with this is I feel like if you were really interested in trying to find out people's opinions about the Erg0 wagon as seen here:
Guardian, in post 65, wrote:Xyl, did you mean definition 3b? If not, please explain what you did mean, and why you thought that it should not have been assumed that you meant 3b.
I'd like everyone to examine the Erg0 wagon and comment on it, say if it is the best place for votes or not, and explain why. If you think there is a better place for votes, explain why that is the best place.
you would have questioned Xylthixlm about why his vote also wasn't on the Erg0 wagon despite his comment from post 42. Instead, you questioned Xyl about something completely unrelated to the Erg0 wagon. Could you please explain why you felt Xyl didn't need to explain his lack of a vote against Erg0?
