Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Mizzy]

EBWOP: What I am concerned about is the following:

1. Someone looks scummy and is placed at l-1.
2. They claim trium.
3. A scumbag comes online before anyone unvotes, and knows they must be telling the truth, and hammers.
4. We lose all the power roles in exchange for lynching one scumbag the next day.
5. We lose.
6. ???
7. Profit!

[joke] Hey as long as it leads to profit, I don't mind losing just this one. [/joke]

Anyway, I feel that claims should not be completely irrelevant because there's a possibility that one could be right.

There is, though, the added bonus that the mafia wouldn't get the powers.

[TrustGossip]

There is, though, the added bonus that the mafia wouldn't get the powers.

I don't think the above should hold any weight in anyone's mind, especially because the tradeoff would be the permanent loss of a town power.

Also:

Why are we talking about the setup again? Is this the standard backup topic to post about when one is being indecisive and cannot come up with anything helpful?

[Mizzy]

I don't think the above should hold any weight in anyone's mind, especially because the tradeoff would be the permanent loss of a town power.

Also:

Why are we talking about the setup again? Is this the standard backup topic to post about when one is being indecisive and cannot come up with anything helpful?

This from the person whining for me to get over my queasiness about the lynching thing.

It would be awesome if you kept to scumhunting and dropped the whole "talking about set-up" thing. We can talk about what we feel we need to, and stifling conversation isn't a good thing to do if the conversation is game-related.

[Elmo]

Powers are useless to the mafia. So blah to that.

TrustGossip: I really dislike thin_man's FL vote, discuss!

Also, the more important question: why can't I be an unlimited non-day-ending dayvig? Just once?

[Mizzy]

Powers are useless to the mafia. So blah to that.

TrustGossip: I really dislike thin_man's FL vote, discuss!

Also, the more important question: why can't I be an unlimited non-day-ending dayvig? Just once?

Well, roleblocker they could use. And would a cop result tell role or just alignment?

[Phate]

My vote stands on Miztef. I'm getting a very strong town read from TrustGossip.

[Elmo]

Mizzy: I asked the mod a while ago, the cop results only reveals alignment. They could use the RB, yes, I suppose. (Odds of it actually stopping cop/doc tonight with town lynch are 2/10 * 3/11 = ~5%, fyi)
Phate: No shit, sherlock, but I doubt he'll be overjoyed at that comment

[Mizzy]

Mizzy: I asked the mod a while ago, the cop results only reveals alignment. They could use the RB, yes, I suppose. (Odds of it actually stopping cop/doc tonight with town lynch are 2/10 * 3/11 = ~5%, fyi)

Well, that's good then! Keeps them from finding PRs and keeps them from using the roles effectively...all it would do then is keep a townie from using them.

Miztef needs to post more, IMO. I also am waiting on SSF to return with some of those promised thoughts of his.

[Miztef]

about what? I'm still here, just have nothing much to say. Basically I was gearing on that list voting to end the day, and now that it has not, I'm kind of at a loss.

I don't really have anyone I want to vote for, find most players that are active right now helpful, but unfortunately none of them of put up compelling arguements as to who to lynch at this time. I've been thinking of voting SSF, but that seems like I'd just be following the vote, and I don't find the evidence against him compelling.

I will bring up though, that I've found your (Mizzy's) posts misleading and at times unhelpful. You post quite often, but with too little actual substance imo. You give reads of scumminess on those already getting much attention, and basically agree that they are scum. Whoever looks pro-town you decide to agree with quite often. Overall, I find your tactics scummy because you tend to follow and agree, traits I find prominent in scum.

The lurkers are everywhere in this game, and I hope their post rate increases soon. I will not go into detail on why to lynch them though, because I don't feel they need to be lynched today.

Phate hasn't got my attention in a while. He latest post reminds me completely of his scumminess, as he states the obvious, has very little constructive arguments, and has been under scrutiny before, yet got out much too easily imo (I'm implying scum helped moved the lynch away from him).

Elmo and Trustgossip have seemed, to the most extent, pro-town, however, There level of influence on the game may get higher then necessary by blinding agreeing they are pro-town, and I do have reservations about both of them.

Thin_Man, Skitzer and Sir Tornado are all on my "lurker" radar, mostly because I have very little opinion on them, and they have not posted very often or recently. I don't like people I don't have much of a reading on (because that usually means they are not doing enough to catch my attention).

[TrustGossip]

Limited access until wednesday

[somestrangeflea]

Chapter 1 - How Not to Roll a Dice

The MoS-SirT argument isn't showing any tells either way, just a lot of anger...

Something that did stand out though:

Yuan, if you want some discussion, look at the people who massively unvoted, saying "the random stage is over". What a load of bullshit. I'd pursue it, but I'm lazy and have been arguing with SirT. Someone else can do it.

I've personally never liked "someone else can do it" posts. They're *ahem* a divestment of responsiblity... I feel compelled to agree with Phate regarding it.

Chapter 2 - LOLWTFn00b

I'm saying that because you're new, there is a possibility that you'll let something slip if you are scum, and I'm noting what I find slightly odd behaviour in the attempt to find a connection.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are we not looking to see if

all

players let stuff slip? Surely that's why we're all here? To yell at each other and get progressively more violent until someone says something which lots of people think means "I'm probably scum", or means that in the context of the rest of the game.

Chapter 3 - Vote: No Lynch

If Phate = mafia, then spur and/or SSF could be trying to get heat off of him, in a townie looking way.

So, Too Townie then?

For someone that just made a massive speech, that seems very odd. I will accept it for now and continue playing as normal though.

"I do not believe that Elmo's argument is a good one against me. Moving on..."

Chapter 4 - I Don't Know What to Title This

Seeing as how the scum will automatically claim triumvirate, we're going to lynch a townie (who presumably wouldn't claim triumvirate, and these townies are the town's potential power roles, so by lynching town, I feel like we're lynching power roles. And yes, we should claim investigations / protections tomorrow.

I'm just wondering why anybody would claim vanilla, given that they could conveniently claim an unlynchable role. Vanilla claimers are not confirmed town, but no WIFOM, I couldn't understand scum under duress claiming vanilla when those are the only players we can safely lynch.

There's something about these posts which seems to say "I'm scum, and have already thought about my strategy."

Chapter 5 - Claims for the Masses

Basically, out of the whole thing:

Because only scum could possibly think this was a good plan at this point. The logic has been proven that the town has a better chance of winning if we do NOT mass claim. You are trying to brush past these proven statistics and play towards some retarded sense of pride about the game. You're presumptuous and likey scum as well.

I agree with MoS.

I find it interesting that a fair proportion of the town was willing to lynch FL (now Rishi) based on the massclaim fiasco (he got to -1), but we're still on Day 1... Why is this?

MoS managed to get us off FL, and onto Elmo, that's why. And once the Elmo wagon died, the FL wagon never picked up again...

Why the new wagon, MoS?

Phate, I'd like to introduce you to the head of a nail. He's been going around saying he slept with your mum, but you've clearly dealt with that problem.

In conclusion, a summary of my thoughts of the first 20 pages:
Very long.
Spurgistan and Miztef stand out as potentially scummy, as does Phate to a lesser extent.
If Rishi is scum, so's MoS, and vice-versa.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why the Rishi MoS connection? You never mention Rishi in that entire post...

[somestrangeflea]

FL => Rishi

[TrustGossip]

Exactly how relevant is your analysis of Spurgistan if you triangulate it with my play so far, flea?

@ Elmo: I haven't given much thought on thin_man, because his posting has been... well

thin

.

[Elmo]

TrustGossip: Considering the deadline is in ten days, what are your thoughts on who should be lynched? (Modulo your policy on how much to say.)

What do you feel about the lurkers in this game? The meta policy of Lynch All Lurkers?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Flea: so you think I'm scum because the FL wagon died when I went after Elmo? You do realize that I also started the FL wagon, right?

[TrustGossip]

TrustGossip: Considering the deadline is in ten days, what are your thoughts on who should be lynched? (Modulo your policy on how much to say.)

What do you feel about the lurkers in this game? The meta policy of Lynch All Lurkers?

I am very uncomfortable in Lurker Central. What makes me especially uneasy is that according to Mod, all inactive players have picked up their prods. Their lack of opinion at this stage of the game disturbs me greatly. It is unfortunately, impossible to concentrate on just one lurker to lynch. Not only do we have to weigh the level of suspicion on many different lurker behaviors, but we'd ignore content contributed by people actually trying to keep this tread active.

Thus I propose a sort of ultimatum:

Post.

Even if it's an opinion on just one aspect of the recent game. If you're town, and for some weird reason you believe that posting would threaten your longevity in this game, you're playing wrong. If you're scum, then obviously you're trying not to leave much of a trail to go on and thus the WIFOM game begins if you post, but hey, I'm willing to play that.

Play.

P.S. @ Elmo: I have not changed my suspicions significantly.

[Mizzy]

What makes me especially uneasy is that according to Mod, all inactive players have picked up their prods.

That bothers me too, that they would respond to a PM but not do so in the thread. Out of all of the lurkers, Thin_man bothers me the most.

The last time Thin_Man posted in our game was Sun Dec 30, 2007, post number 428 where he said:

I don't explain the reasons behind my votes, sorry.

Since, he's posted 3 times in Mafia Discussion and nowhere else, back on the 2nd and third of January. He has not posted since, but yet he picked up his prod? He should either be replaced or disposed of. I HATE it when people say they'll play and then don't.

[Phate]

This is me posting.


I'm finding it difficult to care about this game, actually. This is way too long of a D1. Someone needs to die. I'd prefer Miztef, but at this point I'd be willing to accept MoS or Thin_man if I can't get Miztef.

[Shanba]

Since it's common knowledge now anyway, and since it may have an unwanted impact on the game, and since he has stated he will be playing with his main in this game from now on anyway, Thin_Man is Primate's alt

[somestrangeflea]

Exactly how relevant is your analysis of Spurgistan if you triangulate it with my play so far, flea?

Less than when you don't.

Flea: so you think I'm scum because the FL wagon died when I went after Elmo? You do realize that I also started the FL wagon, right?

No.

Although it really depends on your definition of the term "started", I would say that Phate or spurgistan started the wagon.

[Rishi]

I am posting, but little to say.

If we are at a stalemate, then lynch all lurkers is a good policy. It'll make Day 2 go better at least. Just lynch the person who hasn't posted in the thread for the longest period.

[Mizzy]

I am posting, but little to say.

If we are at a stalemate, then lynch all lurkers is a good policy. It'll make Day 2 go better at least. Just lynch the person who hasn't posted in the thread for the longest period.

Or the lurker who has given the least content to the game...but yes, if I can't get a scumlynch, I'll settle for a lurker lynch, I suppose.

[Elmo]

I feel the need to QFT the entirety of TrustGossip's last post. Lurking really hurts the town, guys.

I rather like the idea of lynching lurkers.. I'll give it some more thought, I have a couple other people in mind (MoS / Miztif).

[Mizzy]

I feel the need to QFT the entirety of TrustGossip's last post. Lurking really hurts the town, guys.

I rather like the idea of lynching lurkers.. I'll give it some more thought, I have a couple other people in mind (MoS / Miztif).

MoS DID at least give us some warning about his decreased activity and he IS trying when he can...I'd be more inclined to a Miz (the other Miz) lurkerlynch.