Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Shanba]

Still think it's pete d or Lowell.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Lowell (3) -- farside22, Shanba, pete d
Porochaz (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
farside22 (2) -- Lowell, Dragon Phoenix
pete d (1) -- Setael

Not voting: Battle Mage, Porochaz
9 alive, 5 to lynch.

[Setael]

Shanba, do you think it's BOTH Lowell and pete d? And if so, do you think pete d would've joined the Lowell wagon the way he did?

[farside22]

Shanba, do you think it's BOTH Lowell and pete d? And if so, do you think pete d would've joined the Lowell wagon the way he did?

I know you are asking Shanba, but my brian clicked on with this question. Lets say Lowell is lynched and comes up scum then pete_d looks good all around. Not only did he buss BooKitty he was on the CKD vote too. Usually it wouldn't make sense to have scum buss there partners like that, but then no one really looks at you as scum for doing so. However I'm going to say with 4 people to look at for everyone the town is in good shape and I really don't think the scum is going to buss there partners at this point. It doesn't make sense to me at least. DP and pete_d have distance themselves from each other, but it seems like an obvious distance that just why I can't see it. I keep thinking about the fact that even with all the players left four people are left as suspects. So I see the scum as more desperate to try and rally for a win then keep bussing their partner at this point. Just my two cents.

[Setael]

I agree. I think pete d is scum and lowell is town.

DP is the most likely partner for pete d imo.

[farside22]

Sorry for the double post, but I realize this game had 14 players so there may only be one scum left. If there is only one then I would say pete_d put himself in the best position as looking town for voting against the scum as well as DP.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Back home after a bit of a nightmare situation last two days in Houston. Will try to post more tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Back home after a bit of a nightmare situation last two days in Houston. Will try to post more tomorrow.

Look i said i was sorry about that.
I misread the signs ok!
It wont happen again dont worry. Lets just go back to being friends, k?

BM

[Dragon Phoenix]

No hard feelings BM.

The jetlag has reasonably worn off, the aggressive stomach bug which hospitalized two of our team last week and hit several others has gone with minor inconvenience only for myself - but I picked up a rather severe cold on the way home from the USA. My head is not suitable for any detailed analysis at the moment.

[Setael]

Texas is plagued with disease. I should have warned you not to go there.

[Shanba]

Unvote vote: pete d

I don't really buy DP scum. Actually, though, I'm not sure I can read DP yet: hence why I've asked MoS' opinion, who has been heree longer and has presumably played more with him.

FoS: BM

Post moar, scumbag

[Setael]

We do need BM to be more active. When it goes to night, we need to know he's paying attention since if he doesn't protect me and I'm NKd we need to know he didn't protect me because he's scum, not because he's just inactive and useless.

BM, if you're town, you're likely tonight's NK target now that the cop is out. It would help if you'd give as much input as possible now since you likely won't be around tomorrow.

[pete d]

FoS: BM

Post moar, scumbag

QFT

I don't really buy DP scum. Actually, though, I'm not sure I can read DP yet: hence why I've asked MoS' opinion, who has been heree longer and has presumably played more with him.

Somehow I don't think MoS is going help much

[pete d]

If there is only one then I would say pete_d put himself in the best position as looking town for voting against the scum as well as DP.

This argument is a bad one and has some WIFOM in it. I'm just as likely (or even more likely perhaps) to actually BE town if I'm "looking town". Same with DP. Out of the 'four suspects' left, DP and I both wagoned scum early and put a bit of pressure / focus on them at other times. Lowell didn't really mention either scum in his analysis, was late on the bookitty wagon, and chose Setael over ckd iirc. Unright / farside wasn't around during the bookitty saga, but farside wagoned ckd, before hopping to setael and finally back to ckd.

And if I have indeed put myself in such a good position, why am I being run up?

[farside22]

If there is only one then I would say pete_d put himself in the best position as looking town for voting against the scum as well as DP.

This argument is a bad one and has some WIFOM in it. I'm just as likely (or even more likely perhaps) to actually BE town if I'm "looking town". Same with DP. Out of the 'four suspects' left, DP and I both wagoned scum early and put a bit of pressure / focus on them at other times. Lowell didn't really mention either scum in his analysis, was late on the bookitty wagon, and chose Setael over ckd iirc. Unright / farside wasn't around during the bookitty saga, but farside wagoned ckd, before hopping to setael and finally back to ckd.

And if I have indeed put myself in such a good position, why am I being run up?

Because there are 4 people that Setael did not verify so all four are suspcious. Only no one would know the information would come out as it did. So hiding as a town that is scum is likely. I'm not a big fan of WIFOM for every arguement I've made thus far. It's like you throw it out there when you have nothing to say in regards except that.

[pete d]

So hiding as a town that is scum is likely. I'm not a big fan of WIFOM for every arguement I've made thus far. It's like you throw it out there when you have nothing to say in regards except that.

A scum laying low is just as likely. As for WIFOM, I've said it for two of your arguments, namely that 'I (myself) have put myself in a good position to look townish, therefore I am probably scum' and 'If I (farside) was scum then I wouldn't have killed ABR'. I am not just throwing it out there for every argument you've made, in both those instances the logic doesn't follow (in my opinion).

[Dragon Phoenix]

POSSIBLE SCUMS if Setael and BM are what they claim
farside22 (replacing Unright)
Lowell (replacing richman99)
Dragon Phoenix
pete d

Of these three (bar myself), I would rank pete d lowest as potential scum, for the same reason that he says. WIFOM it may be, but there is a reason why that usually is the best way to go. If the only thing brought up against him in this phase is that he is too town then I give up playing this game (and yes, I know the same argument is being used against me).

I don;t get much of a read on Lowell, could see him swing either way. I'm sticking with farside22 (replacing Unright), mainly for the Unright post I quoted.

[Setael]

It could be any of the 4. I'd probably hammer any one of them at this point.

[Shanba]

It could be any of the 4. I'd probably hammer any one of them at this point.

That's... very broad, Setael. Surely you have preferences? Actually, I'm pretty sure you've already stated your preferences, and yet you would hammer anyone? Would you not try and push fr the lynch you prefer?

DP: I've stated why I suspect pete d, and it's nothing to do with too townie, which is a terrible argument. It's more to do with the way he sort of suspects CKD, he votes, unvotes, fosses and votes Nekka (later Boo).

[farside22]

So hiding as a town that is scum is likely. I'm not a big fan of WIFOM for every arguement I've made thus far. It's like you throw it out there when you have nothing to say in regards except that.

A scum laying low is just as likely. As for WIFOM, I've said it for two of your arguments, namely that 'I (myself) have put myself in a good position to look townish, therefore I am probably scum' and 'If I (farside) was scum then I wouldn't have killed ABR'. I am not just throwing it out there for every argument you've made, in both those instances the logic doesn't follow (in my opinion).

I had to read WIFOM to understand better. I don't have issues you saying my comment was WIFOM, but my comment to you was not as such. You are at this point not defending the comment, but throwing a WIFOM instead of giving a reason better then that. I find WIFOM more scummie in your second defense as a way to deflect any real response.

I have no issue with Lowell or pete_d voting wise.

[Setael]

I feel like I have pushed for the one(s) I prefer, which are pete d and DP. We don't seem to be coming to a consensus, in which case I'm willing to hammer any of the 4.

[farside22]

I feel like I have pushed for the one(s) I prefer, which are pete d and DP. We don't seem to be coming to a consensus, in which case I'm willing to hammer any of the 4.

We also have a couple of people who haven't really chimed in much such as BM and MoS. (shrug) It just makes it difficult to come to a consensus with a couple of people not participating as much in the conversation.

[pete d]

I don't have issues you saying my comment was WIFOM, but my comment to you was not as such.

Your comment was that "If there is only one then I would say pete_d put himself in the best position as looking town for voting against the scum as well as DP." This is bad logic. You basically leave yourself room to switch to either me or DP.

You are at this point not defending the comment, but throwing a WIFOM instead of giving a reason better then that.

I am defending my comment, I think you are using bad logic. Me saying that it's bad logic and explaining why is a pretty good "reason".

I find WIFOM more scummie in your second defense as a way to deflect any real response.

This makes no sense. I gave an argument why your logic was wrong. You are the one who has not addressed my argument, instead brushing it aside by misrepresenting it as "throwing out WIFOM".

I would be happy to vote for either Lowell or farside. I think Lowell is lurking badly, so my vote stays on him for now.

I agree that we need to hear from BM and MoS, at the very least for BM to acknowledge that he'll still be paying attention to (presumably) make his night choice.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What do you need to hear from me about?

What did Setael claim? BM claimed doc, right?

Why are Lowell/farside/DP/pete implicated based on Setael's and BM's claims?

[Setael]

I'm the cop. streeflo had an innocent on you MoS and had gotten an innocent on Setael1 N2 (just before I was vigged by vollkan). I replaced in and last night got an innocent on Porochaz. BM is a claimed doc and Shanba is a confirmed mason so that leaves farside22, Lowell, Dragon Phoenix and pete d as possible scums.

Tonight we'll know if BM was telling the truth or not.

We'd like your opinion on those 4. We likely have 2 scums left since there appears to be no SK.