petroleumjelly wrote:al_kohaulec wrote:I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest.
al_kohaulec wrote:Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes.
Please explain these two quotes in more detail, I am not sure I follow you.
I don't always use words in the right context, and this may be an example. I considered Ross to be one of the scummiest. I didn't have an idea of how was
most
scummiest, but in my words that meant Ross could have been most scummiest, second or third most scummiest. I do not interpret what I said to be "He is scummy, but not the most scummiest".
curiouskarmadog wrote:al_kohaulec wrote:
Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes. I may have questioned him if I had the time, but I doubt I would have, and wouldn't have done it nearly as efficiently as you did. His answers to your questions gave me much better insight into his actions and gives me another perspective, allowing me to see how wrong I believe I was before.
what notes? when did Ross make it into your notes as being one of the scummiest players?
What notes? I keep a set of notes on my computer to summarize the game for me because otherwise with how busy I am these days, I would never remember anything about a game. There's been games where I couldn't even remember if I was still alive or not. I'm not sure, but I think Ross first made my list for being scummy when I noticed him jumping on top of the attacks towards GS and Iammers. He seemed opportunistic.
curiouskarmadog wrote:
then you get a little pressure (not even, more like a question or two) you unvote and post following:
al_kohaulec wrote:
I always keep notes on games. They used to be elaborate, but in the past year or so, they've been plummeting in quality.
My list of scummy players is small. There's been a lot of suspicion on Monkey, but you might be surprised to hear i only have one note on him, and it's in his favor. He refused to vote simply because mith wanted everybody to place a vote by the first week. He wanted to be more informed of his actions and not act hastily.
My notes say I'm at the top of page 16 on rereading this thread (skimming), and I have two living suspects currently. While they were alive, GS and mith were on that list. I even remember voicing that I had some suspicions on mith's behavior, but wasn't too sure how much of that was because of the jester ploy.
My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.
I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest. Also, I believe after hearing Ross's explanation,
Unvote
I did not unvote him because of pressure. I couldn't remember for sure who I was voting, and I thought it was somebody else I had thought of as scummy. While making that post, I realized my vote was still on Ross, and I then decided to remove it. Ross was falling off my suspicion list when he was answering Jelly's questions, which was all before any of this discussion with me started. My entire reason for voting Ross is that I thought he was scummy, now that I no longer think such, I have no purpose to be voting for him.
curiouskarmadog wrote:
so after yesterday, your scum list is Ross, BM, Monkey, and Meme? Or is Ross now off your list? If so what about Ross's reply made you suddenly change your mind? Something about this post does not seem geniune to me.
FoS al_kohaulec
. this would be a vote right now, if PJ hadnt asked you about these "notes". Question, how confident are you in your notes usually (for I assume you take them in every game)?...how confident are you in your notes Day 2 in this game?
Also why didnt you unvote once Ross replied, why did you wait to unvote AFTER PJ questioned you about your notes?
No, it was only Ross, BM, and MeMe after yesterday. Ross is now off that list. I clearly stated that Monkey is not on my list, though he is suspected by a lot of
other
players. I'll have to do a mini pbpa of Ross's recent posts to explain why I no longer suspect him. I used to be very confident in my notes, they used to be very thorough and in depth into the game and every player, but now in games I play I hardly note anything. My notes alone are unreliable. However I use them as brief reminders of where my thoughts laid, and as a note to say something like "hey, BM acted scummy, reread his posts and see what you find". If I notice something that appears as a giveaway to me of somebody's role or alignment, I make sure to note my certainty, and though I sometimes forget those reasons, I've learned that when I have such a certain feeling, it tends to be pretty accurate, and I act accordingly. I have not had any of these reactions yet, and lately it's only been in very small inexperienced games that I've had such a revelation, so I do not expect something that sure to happen anytime soon.
Basically my notes are something for me to think about, the thread itself is where I rely to determine who is/isn't scum.
unvote of Rosso explained above.
MeMe wrote:al_ko -- your "play hasn't seemed as strong..." comment is not supported by the facts of my recent participation in any game. I don't lurk, but neither do I feel the need to be "miss prolific." If something needs to be said & it hasn't been said yet, I'll say it.
PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:MeMe feels quieter den I remembers.
That's pretty much was I was getting. Your play seems more low key than I'm used to. I marked you in my notes to watch you, but I am not pushing anything yet because that's not a valid reason to push anything for. I don't expect a "miss prolific" attitude, but I expect more of a decent level of contribution from a player like you. One reason I haven't pushed this is because I'm open to the idea of you being busy with real life or to your other duties on this site and such.
Battle Mage wrote:al_kohaulec wrote:
My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.
Wait, so your two top suspects are:
1. Battle Mage
Reasoning: No real reasoning, but at some point he gave me a scummy vibe.
2. MeMe
Reasoning: She hasnt nailed scum yet, or been posting prolifically.
I never said I have no reason to suspect you BM, you have acted scummy. I have merely stated that in my
notes
I have no reasons listed. I do have you marked though as a player I can read over more closely, analyze your play, and there are scummy actions from you throughout the game to be called upon. I just haven't noted them while I was taking notes, my notes are pretty much bone right now, hardly even any skin.
MeMe is only a slight suspicion, nothing to act upon. I'm not suspecting anybody for not nailing scum, and you stating that is misrepresenting me.
Your attacks on me in these latest few posts are one example of your scumminess. CKD and Jelly have both asked much more valid questions and applied reasonable pressure, whereas you simple change what I say, misrepresent me, and try to downcast me into a favorable lynch.
Battle Mage wrote:
This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.
HoS: AlKo
Im happy with a Ross or AlKo lynch atm. And probably others i cant remember.
BM
According to my notes, those are my two suspects. Like I've been saying, my notes are very poor right now, and I admit my play has been under par for close to a year now. Your last comment makes you sound very lynch-happy to take anybody down. Tell me, do you want me lynched for any other reason than I have you as a suspect? What do you think of Ross's explanation for his actions? His answer's to PJ's questions?
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). But, i dont rate his explanation very highly atall.
