Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

WhemeStar · Post Post #2200 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:14 am

So I really want to vote Nos

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2201 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:25 am

Nos, what's the deal?

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2202 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:11 am

Yeah but you think that and then vote for Nos, Persi.

Edosurist · Post Post #2203 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:37 pm

In post 2184, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:After not pushing him anymore after that, you could go on to push that I was like "hey free win."

Thanks for scumhunting for me.

In post 2128, Nexus wrote:Firebringer - Domino's Meateor - Fat Boy Townie - Killed Night 2
Now, if you can logically explain why I would do this as scum, that would be great.

After you come to the conclusion that it only makes sense for a hardcore defender of a Gin slot dies and people start to want to vote me, that slot must be town and scum are working towards a mislynch on my own slot.

First off, legit question. Who else is scumreading you right now?
Second, good point. However, 1842 looks like a real claim. Looks like Persivul thought it was legit too.
UNVOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Also, I asked you whether you believed Pine was the only scum on Dark's wagon.

More (including addressing AJ) to come later.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2204 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:00 pm

I believe wheme is, which normally, I'd be annoyed by, but in an interesting twist, it strengthens my town read on him because of how much I so prominently defend him. It's like, he's thinking about lynching me when, if he was scum, he should be not even attempting that.

So I can't see why wheme as scum would try to lynch someone who is a potential buddy vote in end game.

I'd have to look back but at the time of the wagon itself, I thought massive/momo was over exaggerating his reaction and vote and I found it scummy.

ALSO HEY DESP! IT'S LIKE I TOLD YOU PINE SHEEPED FIREBRINGER TO BE THE TOWN FALL GUY AND FIRE WAS TOWN. I LOVE MY THEORY AND IT'S PROVEN 1/3 CORRECT WITH FLIPS

Persivul · Post Post #2205 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:22 pm

In post 2202, Aj The Epic wrote:Yeah but you think that and then vote for Nos, Persi.

Gin made an interesting point on nos, and there's probably more than one scum left, don'tcha think?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2206 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:24 pm

What did I say?

I mean honestly just looking at the game state, I have the confidence to push a lynch through, I just have a bad fucking track record and I need to be put in check.

Desperado · Post Post #2207 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:51 pm

In post 2204, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:ALSO HEY DESP! IT'S LIKE I TOLD YOU PINE SHEEPED FIREBRINGER TO BE THE TOWN FALL GUY AND FIRE WAS TOWN. I LOVE MY THEORY AND IT'S PROVEN 1/3 CORRECT WITH FLIPS

?

firebringer was always town that pine was pinning his wheme vote too

thats been what ive been saying the whole time?

Nosferatu · Post Post #2208 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:10 pm

readin rn

Nosferatu · Post Post #2209 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 2201, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Nos, what's the deal?

idk what you're asking me here

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2210 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:13 pm

like, say stuff

Nosferatu · Post Post #2211 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:06 pm

In post 2196, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: People treated it as a dumb tell for me being town and I don't know if I could apply that the same way with nos.

I don't have any tell like that that I know of. AFAIK this is the first time I've openly stated I had no idea where to look at day-start.

implosion · Post Post #2212 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:17 pm

Edos wrote:Hi implosion. Want to talk to me for a bit?

Happy to if you're on at the same time as me later. Went to sleep right after making that post. Gonna take quite a bit to convince me on gin, he's pretty much the one read I'm confident in relative to others.

Pers's 2181 is an interesting point. The stated strength of pieg's townread is weird in retrospect, even if it might have been sarcastic. The development of her read over the day after that is also interesting. She called pine town for the first 900 posts and then suddenly flipped on him in 942. She has pine as 3rd-4th scumread in 1049, clarified to 4th in 1059, right before day end. Nos is 2nd and alz is 1st so it's somewhat unlikely edos+nos or edos+aj unless nancy is known to bus. I guess it's possible that she felt the need to bus pine after the post restriction kept going on and she thought he was dead weight, but it seems somewhat unlikely she'd bus her other partner at that point.

Needs more thought.

implosion · Post Post #2213 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:21 pm

Desperado wrote:the better question is, does nos look like he has a scumdriven agenda?

him not townreading implosion is a pretty good counterargument to that idea

I don't see how him townreading me would be scumdriven. Do you think he'd be trying to appease me? I've been pushing his slot since like mid d1 and I don't think I'd appear to scum-nos to be particularly likely to change especially after I said I basically can't move my thoughts forward until he's dead.

implosion · Post Post #2214 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:22 pm

I mean, if he like attacked me then maybe. But saying he neither townreads nor scumreads me is not a hard stance to take as scum.

Edosurist · Post Post #2215 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:37 pm

In post 2212, implosion wrote: Pers's 2181 is an interesting point. The stated strength of pieg's townread is weird in retrospect, even if it might have been sarcastic. The development of her read over the day after that is also interesting. She called pine town for the first 900 posts and then suddenly flipped on him in 942. She has pine as 3rd-4th scumread in 1049, clarified to 4th in 1059, right before day end. Nos is 2nd and alz is 1st so it's somewhat unlikely edos+nos or edos+aj unless nancy is known to bus. I guess it's possible that she felt the need to bus pine after the post restriction kept going on and she thought he was dead weight, but it seems somewhat unlikely she'd bus her other partner at that point.

Needs more thought.

I wish I could address this, but unfortunately you'd have to talk to my predecessor about that. I'll just agree that if I were scum in pieg's position, I wouldn't have been bussing. Not that you care cuz WIFOM. Not that that even matters cuz town.

Edosurist · Post Post #2216 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:14 pm

In post 2187, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I mean that's universal to anyone here.

I've already pointed out that the mafia are playing survivalistic after pointing out that Alisae was killed, who replaced Grey, who softed and basically hardclaimed viggie.

I understood that Grey was trolling.
Assuming that scum thought that Grey wasn't trolling, wouldn't they only want to kill the slot if the slot's reads were correct?

In post 2194, Desperado wrote: darklyn lynch was garbage. momo lynch wasnt much better. but you keep going back to the same well. idgi

Do you agree with my assessment that there were more scum on the Dark lynch? If so, I believe we should focus our efforts here because we already know the alignments of everyone on that wagon except for three people. I'm including myself (my slot) in this pool. For clarity, it's {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Edosurist}.

VOTE: Persivul

In post 2198, Aj The Epic wrote:Edoist, can you go more in depth to your Nos read then? You suspect Persi/Gin for placements on Dark wagon but never give reason for Nos.

Interesting you should ask that. You guys are gonna hate me for this, but I honestly can't remember. Like at all. That's why I postponed my response earlier. I'll get back to you if I remember. Regardless, I've reshifted my order, and I want Persivul today.

In post 2206, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What did I say?

I'm curious too now. I don't know what he's talking about.

Edosurist · Post Post #2217 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:17 pm

In post 2190, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So, top row is Implosion's people who town read and the bottom row is people who scum read him.

Desperado, Persivul, Wheme, AJ the Epic, Edo, Gin

nos

If anything, this makes me want to townread Nos. Why would scum Nos be the lone contrarian?

Persivul · Post Post #2218 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:14 pm

In post 2216, Edosurist wrote:Do you agree with my assessment that there were more scum on the Dark lynch? If so, I believe we should focus our efforts here because we already know the alignments of everyone on that wagon except for three people. I'm including myself (my slot) in this pool. For clarity, it's {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Edosurist}.

You didn't actually make an assessment, you just said there were more scum on Dark without reason, and used that as an excuse to vote someone who's scum reading you. Consider what actually happened. The Dark wagon replaced this one:

Whemestar (5) - Desperado, pieg, Firebringer, Nosferatu, Pine

If scum is in {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic}, why didn't either of us jump on an L-2 wagon? It was late in phase, so deadline was an easy excuse.

Shouldn't an assessment of the dark lynch lead to the conclusion that wheme is scum, and dark was the CW?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2219 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:52 am

Spoiler: Day 3 colored VC-Confirmed Flips only

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2220 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:53 am

Made the VC with only confirmed flips in case you want to use it for yourself, hence why i dont color my name, I however am going to use one where I use my reads and see how it looks

Desperado · Post Post #2221 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:12 am

In post 2214, implosion wrote:I mean, if he like attacked me then maybe. But saying he neither townreads nor scumreads me is not a hard stance to take as scum.

it's a pointless one tho

he isn't keeping you lynchable but not giving you a read either way

what scum agenda is nullreading you when you're town or everyone else serving?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #2222 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:12 am

paranoia tells me BUDDIES

Desperado · Post Post #2223 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:13 am

In post 2216, Edosurist wrote:Do you agree with my assessment that there were more scum on the Dark lynch? If so, I believe we should focus our efforts here because we already know the alignments of everyone on that wagon except for three people. I'm including myself (my slot) in this pool. For clarity, it's {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Edosurist}.

VOTE: Persivul

ya definitely, i've been pushing a persivul/wheme team since the beginning of d2

Desperado · Post Post #2224 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:14 am

In post 2218, Persivul wrote:You didn't actually make an assessment, you just said there were more scum on Dark without reason, and used that as an excuse to vote someone who's scum reading you. Consider what actually happened. The Dark wagon replaced this one:
Whemestar (5) - Desperado, pieg, Firebringer, Nosferatu, Pine

If scum is in {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic}, why didn't either of us jump on an L-2 wagon? It was late in phase, so deadline was an easy excuse.

Shouldn't an assessment of the dark lynch lead to the conclusion that wheme is scum, and dark was the CW?

hahahahaha

"darklyn was town and a counterwagon to Wheme, why on earth wouldn't I or Gin have voted Wheme instead???"