Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[schismatized]

Woo 2 days to go.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm still voting for Peers because I feel more comfortable with a Peers lynch than a Quagmire lynch. Of course I'm going to question him, even now, because he's still my top suspect. However, if it comes to the deadline, I will vote for Quag because after he supposedly read his role PM I haven't seen good play from him at all.

I understand, but I do hope that your timing causes me to worry.

So... I'm going to examine every instance of you mentioning Peers.

Nov. 10:

ok. this bandwagon seems to have more behind it than the BM one. unvote, vote:peers

You had to be ASKED to give a reason. The reason was:

Although this has been said, the random phase is only the first few votes of the game, and even those aren't always random.

Consider you own SEMI-random vote on MoS. Interesting.

IMO, you should at least try to defend yourself somewhat rather than saying "Oh no, a bandwagon on me. I hope I don't get too defensive and have people lynch me." I don't see that as a defense. It's more of a deflection.
He could at least try to show that he had a good reason for jumping on the bandwagon rather than making something up that he tried to make sound good. It seemed like just jumping on the bandwagon while trying to look as unsuspicious as possible.

Those are pretty flimsy reasons, don't you think? They're good enough for the first pages of Day 1, so I'm not berating you for it.

Let's continue.

Nov 13: "I'm still not liking peers. See: everyone's posts about him."
Nov 16: "Peers, your "content" is not making me want to unvote you. I haven't seen a very good defense, so my vote stays. "
Nov 21: "Ok, the only things that I have time to say right now are that Peers's reactions have been iffy, and I don't like his "case" on neo-viper."
Dec 11: "I'm still on Peers because I still think he's scum based on what was said about 15 pages ago."
Dec 12: "You seem to agree with ABR a lot when it keeps suspicion off of you."
Dec 12: "Um, lashing out? I was making a comment about how Peers seems to follow ABR whenever he changes wagons to someone other than him, possibly so that he can prevent the suspicion from coming back onto him. I'm still voting for Peers because I still find him most suspicious.

Right now, I'm looking for ways to show that

, and that comment was one of them."
Dec: 18: "we need more pressure on peers." "Peers will still be here tomorrow unless he's vigged or something." Then you briefly voted for me.
Dec 22: "Well, I'm fine with a Peers lynch or a TS lynch, and I have been for a while. I thought Peers needed more pressure until ABR pointed out that Peers had already claimed, so I switched to TS since she was another lynch I would have been fine with.'
Dec 28: "FOS Quagmire, FOS Shis. However, I still feel that Peers is scum. He has not done anything this game that has changed my mind on his alignment." Vote back on Peers.

I'm not to sure how to interpret the above regarding your alignment, but using your own reasoning, I find it strange that you are voting for Peers still, rather than Quagmire. It's as if you purposely want to ignore Quagmire, as much as you can get away with. I may be wrong, but that is the impression that you are projecting.

Anyway... let the above be a summary of your thoughts on Peers. It might come in handy later in the game,

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

6: Quagmire

(Battle Mage, JordanA24, TS, Bookitty, ABR, Peers)

4: Kscope

(Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized, MoS)

4: Peers

(YagamiLight, Erg0, hasdgfas, Panzerjager)

3: MoS

(Kscope, IH, Peers)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

1: Bookitty

(Quagmire)

1: Panzer

(Setael)

Not voting:

Currently Quagmire will be the deadline lynch

[hasdgfas]

I'm not ignoring Quagmire. I feel that I have made my thoughts well known on him. But, if you want it again:
The role PM discussion was a time-waster even though he had no need to announce that at that time. Since he claims that he read his role PM, I haven't seen much of anything useful from him.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm not ignoring Quagmire. I feel that I have made my thoughts well known on him. But, if you want it again:
The role PM discussion was a time-waster even though he had no need to announce that at that time. Since he claims that he read his role PM, I haven't seen much of anything useful from him.

OK for now.

[PJ.]

I dislike quag's claim..but I don't want to be part of the group he looped under won't believe him anyway..

[Toaster Strudel]

I don't want to be part of the group he looped under won't believe him anyway..

Is there some danger to being part of that "group?" What are the consequences? What are you afraid of? Just curious.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Peers

I suggest you answer hasdgfas' question.

[Toaster Strudel]

Hurry up, time is running out for you to save your buddy!

The fact that MoS-scum is attacking Peers in a last minute bid to try to save Quagmire's tutu is a hint that Peers might actually be town (though I wish he was acting town ) and that Quagmire might indeed be scum.

My meta on MoS in this game, is scum. Absolutely scum.

Yosarian (whom I also very much believe to be scum) is conveniently slipping out of the radar... way scummy folks... mark my words now in case I don't make it overnight... this is the SECOND time he makes himself scarce at a CRUCIAL time in the game.

[Toaster Strudel]

For posterity, here is what Yosarian2 has to say about Peers:

Nov 11: Yosarian meekly defends Peers against hasdagas.
Nov 15: Yosarian tells Peers: "Sounds like you're more worried about how your vote makes you look, instead of how you can use your vote to find scum."
Nov 20: Yosarian finds schis scummy for hopping on the Peers wagon: "...I don't like that you're apparently using that as one of your reason to join the large peers wagon. "
Nov 23: Yosarian warns Peers, when Peers explains he's playing à la ABR: "Um, except you know Albert does get lynched a lot, right?"
Dec 9: Answers questions that are addressed to Peers, and meekly attacks the person that wants answers directly from Peers.
Dec 18: In an attempt to cast aspersions on me, during my absence, and teaming up with hasdagas, "Might as well just lynch her now, rather then make the mod replace her so we can lynch the replacement."

And I believe that's it. It would be odd if he waltzed in now, and voted Peers. If he did, he'd have a lot of explaining to do. But he did say that push come to shove, he'd vote Quagmire, so that's in his favor. But then... that might be why he's lurking again, he doesn't want to have to keep his word and vote Quagmire...

What stands out here, to me anyway, other players might have different views, is that although Yosarian derails every wagon, and is too chicken to commit to a lynch, he seemed pretty gung-ho to get rid of me, when I wasn't around to defend myself.

Make of that what you may...

[Quagmire]

unvote: vote peers

I must save my own ass.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're still gonna die.

[Setael]

I would prefer a Peers lynch than a Quag lynch at this juncture.

unvote, vote: Peers

[Erg0]

I love you all again now. Just try to stay focussed for another 24 hours, please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ego I got to be frank and say that Peers is just as likely as Quagmire to be scum minus the time we wasted on the former.

[Erg0]

Obviously, I disagree. Minus the controversy, Peers has a much scummier pattern over the course of the day than Quagmire.

[Bookitty]

Obviously, I disagree. Minus the controversy, Peers has a much scummier pattern over the course of the day than Quagmire.

Do you really think you can "minus the controversy", though? I agree with your statement, but I don't think you can just ignore something so major.

[Peers]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

[Bookitty]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

Your death will prove Quagmire, MoS and Setael to be scum?

Explain, please?

[Erg0]

Obviously, I disagree. Minus the controversy, Peers has a much scummier pattern over the course of the day than Quagmire.

Do you really think you can "minus the controversy", though? I agree with your statement, but I don't think you can just ignore something so major.

Doubtless it was an anti-town action, but ultimately it gives little to no indication of alignment, which is all I'm interested in.

[hasdgfas]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

This

still

isn't an answer to my question.

[Toaster Strudel]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.

[Toaster Strudel]

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum.

I will add that if he were scum, Peers would unlikely selectively cast aspersions on only the already-scummy players. It doesn't sound like he's trying to jerk us around with an agenda that will cause it to scratch our heads in puzzlement for days to come.

[Erg0]

If he's lynched scum then we're going to ignore him anyway (at least we should), so he can cast aspersions on whoever he feels like. I've seen the "I'm just an innocent townie, here are my suspects" post from nearly-lynched scum plenty of times before, probably because some people take it as a pro-town action, and some people get tied into knots WIFOMing it the next day.

[hasdgfas]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.

but he still hasn't answered the question that has been posed to him by multiple different people.

Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum.

I will add that if he were scum, Peers would unlikely selectively cast aspersions on only the already-scummy players. It doesn't sound like he's trying to jerk us around with an agenda that will cause it to scratch our heads in puzzlement for days to come.

Right, but if we lynched him and he were scum, why would we listen if he told us that people were scum who we didn't suspect before.