Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[mith]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

[Holy]

I didn't like the way Greasy Spot delayed to answer questions toward him.
Gladly will join the wagon on him.

I'm busy at work lately, I can put more attention at weekends I guess.

[Battle Mage]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:

SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)

BM

[Captain Bandwagon]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:

SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)

BM

Exactly my point. I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.

[MeMe]

Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...

Care to come up with a legitimate reason why? Keeping in mind that 1) I was at Thespival and 2) I had no idea mith was going to kill the trap minutes after I posted?

[Battle Mage]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:

SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)

BM

Exactly my point. I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.

Who are you an alt of? Were you at Thespival?

BM

[Greasy Spot]

@ mith FUCK YOU!! for jumping all over my ass from day one. How the fuck was I supposed to know half the people here were baiting a trap. I haven't been here but two weeks.

unvote

[Fletcher]

[written before I read mith's post]

Out of interest, why do you find GS's criticisms of the logic of those at Thespival to be reasonable, and mine to be inherently scummy, despite admitting that YOU also shared those views when you were at Thespival?

You will not lay-off, especially in light of the fact that you state that this is a very experienced group. You'd think you would have done so to some degree. GS is a prime example of this. Thinking more on this I'm not sure how well-founded my vote is, because it seems odd for a mafia to put himself out so much... however you just may do that as scum. As you have pointed out, I have not meta-gamed your play.[/written before]

Unvote: Battle Mage

I don't see the point to killing the trap? Would it really have been so detrimental to keep it going?

[mith]

Battle Mage repeatedly saying the word "trap" - and, to some degree, MeMe responding; though as I said I agreed with her entirely, having someone else just use the word tainted the project - killed any chance it had of working on the Mafia, and I didn't want to Jester to leap to the conclusion that the trap was meant for him/her and be so paranoid by our deception that he/she fails to make the correct play of coming out tomorrow.

I still like GS as scum. And MeMe is my number two, purely on vibe - I'm going to have to read her posts again to see if I can put my finger on anything.

[Battle Mage]

[written before I read mith's post]

Out of interest, why do you find GS's criticisms of the logic of those at Thespival to be reasonable, and mine to be inherently scummy, despite admitting that YOU also shared those views when you were at Thespival?

You will not lay-off, especially in light of the fact that you state that this is a very experienced group. You'd think you would have done so to some degree. GS is a prime example of this. Thinking more on this I'm not sure how well-founded my vote is, because it seems odd for a mafia to put himself out so much... however you just may do that as scum. As you have pointed out, I have not meta-gamed your play.[/written before]

Unvote: Battle Mage

I don't see the point to killing the trap? Would it really have been so detrimental to keep it going?

Well it wouldve confused the heck outta me, and probably lead to a mislynch because some people thought Mith and co. were being serious.

I'd still like a list of who here WASNT at Thespival.

Thanks,
BM

[curiouskarmadog]

I wasnt.

[MeMe]

I'd still like a list of who here WASNT at Thespival.

These players were there:

al_kohaulec
Dani Banani
Fletcher
Mastermind of Sin
MeMe
mith
petroleumjelly
PookyTheMagicalBear
Talitha

[mith]

At Thespival:

al_kohaulec
Dani Banani
Fletcher
Mastermind of Sin
MeMe
mith
petroleumjelly
PookyTheMagicalBear
Talitha

Not:

Battle Mage
Captain Bandwagon
curiouskarmadog
Dark Ermac
Greasy Spot
hasdgfas
Holy
Iammars
QuickBen
RossWilliam
tyhess
wolfcrier

[Greasy Spot]

I wasn't

[mith]

Bah. ~shakes fist at MeMe~

[Battle Mage]

wow simulposts.

@MeMe- are you sure some of those on the 'NOT' list are not alts of people who were there?

BM

[Greasy Spot]

Bah. ~wiggles middle finger at mith~ ~on both hands~

[hasdgfas]

overreaction much?

FoS: GS

[Battle Mage]

overreaction much?

FoS: GS

I hope you are kidding.

[hasdgfas]

unneeded reactions.

[MeMe]

Not completely sure, but the only other scummers NOT on my list who were there (as far as memory and the group pic serves) are:

Ameliaslay
Atticus
Dirge
kristocker
mlaker
spork76
Thesp

The only one of those players I'm not 100% certain isn't using an alt in this game is Ameliaslay -- and I can't see her bothering.

[mith]

As far as I am aware, Captain Bandwagon is the only alt in this game, and was not at Thespival.

[Captain Bandwagon]

1. Guess.

2. No.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Battle Mage, if you thought this could be a trap for the Jester to claim, why would you fight against it? Why is it NOT in the town's best interest for the Jester to claim Day 1? For what reason do you think it was beneficial to OPPOSE the jester claiming today?

[mith]

I already know who you are. The "as far as I am aware" part was referring to the other players, who I have no reason to believe are alts but don't know for certain.