Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[TheWayItEnds]

although tbf i already got what i wanted out of this exchange so.

[mastina]

Alright. I THINK I'm ready.
VOTE: No Lynch.

[Heartless]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Firebringer]

No lynched reached.
48 hours from this post.

[Firebringer]

Heartless Died Last Night.

Spoiler: Heartless ROLE PM

Welcome! You are

Chirrut Imwe

, Rogue Three

Vanilla Townie

.

You are aligned with the

Rebel Alliance

.

A warrior monk from the planet Jedha who would eventually join Rogue Crew as Rogue Three, a firm believer in the force with possibility of channeling it in some way.

Abilities:

Vote - You can vote during the day.[/center]

Character Special Ability

the force is with me. I am one with the force

:
Can select a player who has just died and turn them into a stump for a day.
This must be activated 48 hours into day and can be used on yourself.
Can only be used once.[/center]

Win Condition:
You win when the Empire has been eliminated.

Heartless Left a Last Will

Spoiler: Last Will

ok... so tth and i did a lot of brainstorming on this and we can't come up with a good faith setup where bbmolla is scum. it just doesn't exist. he can't be a full blown member of the scumteam because that's super OP and the funky traitor scenarios strain credulity just b/c of the redirect and how that could interact w/ the vig.

it's not mastina. for reasons we've gone over

SO MANY TIMES

. just iso us. scum!mastina plays this game SOOOOOOOOO much differently in so many ways and BOTH TITUS AND PINE DO NOT INTERACT W MASTINA THIS WAY IF SHE'S SCUM. do not lynch mastina. you will get your ass ripped anew post game.

it just has to be twie. he's played a pretty solid game, but there's just more solid reasons for both mastina and bbmolla NOT being scum and twie just doesn't really have any.

don't overthink it or agonize about it too much though



gl

[and srsly... don't put an insane amount of pressure on yourselves. do what you think is right and that's all anyone can ask. we're cool w/ you whatever happens. except if you lynch mastina. then you suck.]

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 8.00

Not Voting - [3] BBMolla, TheWayItEnds, Mastina

With 3 Alive, It Takes 2 To Lynch.

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 8 ends in (expired on 2017-03-31 02:26:20)!

[TheWayItEnds]

Mastin your how was your death star info phrased?

[mastina]

Mastin your how was your death star info phrased?

If you want an answer beyond this:

Upon Magna's death, I received the death star plans. The death star's a fucking factional scum JOAT. Specifically, the death star's abilities are Cloaking Field (all scum are ninjas for the night), Firing the Death Star (strongman kill), and Impenetrable Hull (scum become BP for the night).
Scum

have

a scum JOAT, a factional one, so they don't need a player who has those powers.

what tripped that, mastin? did fire tell you?

Yes. Immediately after Magna died. I was given a message from Firebringer, which said that I had received the death star plans. Within that message, I was given the names of three abilities, and the description of what they did, and told, essentially, "this is what the death star does". Meaning the death star is a scum JOAT.

...Then you're gonna have to wait for Firebringer to clear my paraphrase.

[TheWayItEnds]

It sounds like you think that Molla can't be the death star himself. Am I reading that right?

[mastina]

Okay, so paraphrase of Firebringer was approved.

Basically, I was told,
"DEATH STAR:"
With the three abilities below that laid out in detail. Approximate wording--
Cloak Field: Scum ninjas for night of activation.
Firing the Death Star: Scum perform strongman kill when activated.
Impenetrable Hull: Scum immune to death for night of activation.

It specifies that the Death Star allows for the whole faction to be these things:
The whole faction becomes ninjas, so it's not a standard ninja. The whole faction become bulletproof, so it's not a single player being bulletproof.
It doesn't specify "one specific player". So not inventors. "Scum will strongman kill". Scum, not specific scum. I'm pretty sure that Firebringer is using Scum here to mean Scum in general, else he would say "a scum" if it were specific.
Also the description of cloak field uses '

their

', and actionS, plural.

It's not an inventor. It's not a JOAT being used personally, as in, the standard scum JOAT which is required to do the things. So it's not gifting a player ninja/strongman/BP status; it's not itself gaining ninja/strongman/BP status; it is granting these things to the entire faction.

Ergo, factional JOAT. I am basically positive this information is genuine.
And I am somewhat-skeptical of Molla fakeclaiming a role he doesn't have.
And if Molla really has a JOAT, then the scum with THIS JOAT can't be Molla.

...But I fucking hate this situation right now because clearing Molla violates one of my longest-standing principles:
Role, versus Play.

When it comes down to it, I trust Play nine times out of Ten. Molla's play is sketchy across the whole fucking game.
Molla's Role is something that I'm having trouble seeing as being from scum.

I don't want to make the same mistake I did and drag out a game for two weeks in lylo the way I did in Steven Universe...

...But at the same time, this is actually not as easy, so yes. I do need to take my time. And I am sorry, Heartless, but I DO need to consider the possibility of Molla as scum. In Steven Universe, I had both role and play backing my RR suspicion. Here they are in conflict, so I'm going to spend some time rereading.

I know this game is in lylo, but this is all I have time for at the moment. It IS the weekened, I AM busy, and I have other priorities aside from this game I need to attend to, but I intend to give this game a thorough look-over.

[mastina]

don't overthink it or agonize about it too much though

Unfortunately, that's kind-of my thing.
I'm not conftown here, but I'm guessing I'm going to be the deciding vote here, and one of the problems I'm working on is eerily similar.

TheWayItEnds is a VETERAN of Steven Universe. He saw, first-hand, how much time and effort I put into evaluating my reads, yet he ALSO saw how I ultimately stuck to my guns, how I ultimately decided to lynch my largest scumread. If he were scum, he would know this, so I'm just not sure he leaves me alive if scum.

Then there was yesterday. He saw Heartless go after BBMolla. He knew that I also have held game-long suspicion on Molla. Why would he advocate for a no-lynch when he knew that between those two factors, he had a very realistic chance of pulling out a win?

...Yet it's not exactly like Molla doesn't know me either. He KNOWS the confidence I display is a facade. He KNOWS that I am consistently, constantly, plagued by doubt--I don't always show it, but I am. He knows that me living to lylo, when I've had every opportunity and reason to die, will

really freak me out

, because damn fucking straight, yeah, it does. Ultimately, if I had died I'd have thought Molla was scum (my last will mentions this), but me living isn't exactly clearing him as town, because he knows how much I hate this sort of situation.

I mean. His experience isn't as recent as TWIE's. But he still KNOWS me. He KNOWS that I am likely to wrack my head on it and make the wrong decision.

I really need to think.
I don't know.
I kind-of just want to be voted to make this easier. If by town, to lose the game to scum with no blame attached on my part; if by scum, so that I don't have to bother sorting which player is scum.

But.
I sincerely doubt that's actually going to happen at this stage, so.

I need to think.
One moment I'm thinking it has to be TWIE.
The next, Molla.
I'm trying to figure it out, figure out what my little voice is telling me, to figure out which option is the fear/paranoia, and which option is the real gut, but I can't tell right now.

I'll be back later and try to do some analysis.
Push come to shove, right now I'd

probably

vote Molla, but that sounds absolutely terrible to me and I REALLY don't want to make that call right now.

[mastina]

Like.
There's a couple of things I've thought of. (I've PMed them to Firebringer for the time being, will basically need to note compile later on.)
But right now. I'm not quite sure what to do with them. I'm not quite sure how to use those thoughts. How to make something of them, how to repeat history.
I was feeling pretty fucking lost in Steven Universe 2, but I at least had a

plan

there to become unlost. Didn't work as expected, but I had one. Here, I'm still trying to figure it out and I'm not quite sure how to accomplish that.

[TheWayItEnds]

Okay but. Like does it say the scum team has access to the death star. The scum team contains the death star. You know that death star has these abilities. How is that phrased.

[TheWayItEnds]

Molla how the fuck are you going to be upset at me calling you dead weight and then respond to my follow ups and not be invested enough to comment on this.

Aj The Epic did not survive the night!

Spoiler: Aj The Epic ROLE PM

Welcome! You are

Mon Mothma

, Rebel Senator ,

Jailkeeper

.

You are aligned with the

Rebel Alliance

.

You are a politician serving to try to keep the rebel alliance together by maintaining order and balance.

Abilities:

Vote - You can vote during the day.
Jailkeeper- At night you can select a player to stop any actions they perform and any actions performed on them.

Character Special Ability

You have no character special ability[/center]

Win Condition:
You win when the Empire has been eliminated.

He Left a Last Will

Spoiler: Last Will

BBmolla was jailed

i have no idea if this is updated or not

probably not

[mastina]

Okay but. Like does it say the scum team has access to the death star. The scum team contains the death star. You know that death star has these abilities. How is that phrased.

The role PM describes what the Death Star does.
The Death Star abilities are scum abilities (ninja, strongman, bp) which when activated give one of three effects to the WHOLE scumteam.

So of those, "you know the death star has these abilities" is the closest, I guess? If I'm understanding the question.
The PM says effectively, "This is the Death Star", and then lays out the three abilities the Death Star possesses, all of which trigger for the whole scumteam.

I'm not sure I can give a better answer than that because that's all the information I have.

[BBmolla]

mastin check my recent games. I've just been shit. I used to be bad but I've gotten even worse.

I get why this looks all orchestrated cause orchestrating bullshit is my favorite thing to do but all I can say is I've done nothing but tell the truth, as good or bad as it looks.

[TheWayItEnds]

Molla how the fuck are you going to be upset at me calling you dead weight and then respond to my follow ups and not be invested enough to comment on this.

Aj The Epic did not survive the night!

Spoiler: Aj The Epic ROLE PM

Welcome! You are

Mon Mothma

, Rebel Senator ,

Jailkeeper

.

You are aligned with the

Rebel Alliance

.

You are a politician serving to try to keep the rebel alliance together by maintaining order and balance.

Abilities:

Vote - You can vote during the day.
Jailkeeper- At night you can select a player to stop any actions they perform and any actions performed on them.

Character Special Ability

You have no character special ability[/center]

Win Condition:
You win when the Empire has been eliminated.

He Left a Last Will

Spoiler: Last Will

BBmolla was jailed

i have no idea if this is updated or not

probably not

[mastina]

mastin check my recent games. I've just been shit. I used to be bad but I've gotten even worse. I get why this looks all orchestrated cause orchestrating bullshit is my favorite thing to do but all I can say is I've done nothing but tell the truth, as good or bad as it looks.

I do promise I'll try. I do owe you that much. But one thing I'm noticing is that you're spending time defending yourself from me. You're treating things like I already have the hammer, that you and TWIE have crossvoted--yet while that's certainly a possibility (even probability), I'm not seeing an effort to scumhunt here (as in, figure out who the scum is), and I'm also not seeing any signs of offense.

I

am

seeing those things from TWIE.

What do you have to say to that?

[BBmolla]

I think TWIE is scum so I don't see a point in appealing to him

[BBmolla]

What is there to comment on in the last will heartless is probably right

[TheWayItEnds]

Why did I even consider a situation where you wouldn't be complete shit today. I mean all the evidence pointed in that direction.

[TheWayItEnds]

hey fire.

Did mafia have daytalk?

~Can't answer this

[BBmolla]

Why did I even consider a situation where you wouldn't be complete shit today. I mean all the evidence pointed in that direction.

If you think I'm shit then you're assuming I'm town, so thanks I guess

[BBmolla]

I'll probably throw a vote down soon, just in a show and want to do some ISOs before I do so

[TheWayItEnds]

its really my fault.

i saw you play this whole game.

i dont know what i was thinking.