Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

[outoforder]

Aubrey's mindset seems totally different as mafia than here. Also he jumps on same sort of things he isn't jumping on here. Granted, i haven't seen a town game of his so point me out to one and i will rejudge.

[Tenshii]

Votecount 3.5 - Again, woe is me

[L-3] havingfitz - momo, outoforder
[L-4] outoforder - Rels

Not voting: KidAmn, BlackVoid, havingfitz, cassielle, Creature

With 8 alive, a majority vote is decided with 5 players.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-27 10:45:00)

[havingfitz]

outoforder:

My general read on OoO this game (without doing a line by line conf biased based ISO) is that he has sewn the seeds of doubt in numerous people this game. The ad-hom and disparaging to undermine the credibility of several players. Not direct quotes but iirc comments along the lines of "so and so wouldn't understand" "beyond him/her" "doesn't know what the hell they are doing" inferring players are dumbasses. If I thought OoO was town and was considering the comments of another player...how would the fact that other player is essentially being called incompetent affect my willingness to listen to that player? I.e. the more players whose credibility is called into question the less serious flack scum can expect to face from those discredited players. This is more so based on discrediting than the ad-hom'ing, which I don't typically consider too AI.

Also...iirc...the repackaging of ad-hom'ing and discrediting has once again been brought up by OoO to insinuate I suspect him because I think he is a dick. I actually do think OoO is a dick but I do not suspect him for that reason. I do not automatically equate ad-homs and disparagements as being a dick.
Ex. I don't think OoO is scum because he called Rels a fuckface. I do think he is a dick for saying it.
Ex. I think inferring or flat out calling cassie...or me...of mooginsoosy incompetent is detrimental to town and beneficial to scum. I wouldn't call him a dick for it though.

So to say I am using something I do not find AI (as most players probably don't) to describe something completely different that I do find suspect is a misrep. Something else I find suspect.

OoO on more than one occasion has twisted comments or flat out misquoted people (me at least) to suite his agenda. Which for the bulk of D1 and D2 has been lynching me.

When asked repeatedly for his case on me he continually ignored my requests. When he did touch on it it was basically a where's waldo of > it should be apparent if you read through my posts type response (1434). I.e. OoO seems averse to answering questions.

I felt that he took on a defensive stance at an early stage of the game when it was not necessary. Stemming iirc from the RVS wagon that went up on him. Excellent. One of the plusses to early wagons and the reactions they produce.

His highlighting of me in bold red to build that scummy association of me in the minds of other players. OoO has no way of knowing indisputably what my alignment it. Just based on the fact he has been willing to vote rels today shows that he is willing to consider others. This just ties in with the earlier discrediting comments.

Call it OMGUS...I'm fine with that...but when I know I am town and someone is coming hard at me the entire game I question their alignment. Regardless of whether I think they made a genuine case on me or in the case of OoO...on questionable and/or unexplained reasoning.

His actual actions...

He never paid much attention to Hawk until he hammered him (town cred AND succumbing to what looked to inevitable).
1176 - Late D1...maybe

Hawk

is scum but not sold. Interesting to note that

hapa

has fallen out of contention at this point. Kop and Doom are possibilities though. Along with me of course.

1122 - says "dick-move analysis suggests that Aubrey is town". OoO apparently wants to push the belief that being a dick makes someone town. Interesting given the fact he later suggests I suspect him for being a dick. Dick = NAI.

1378 - No comment wrt

Hawk

. Hammer.

Little to no lead up to voting

Hawk

and conveniently...his early suspicions of

hapa

dissolved and wound up being a fairly strong townread on

hapa

D2. We CAN NOT lose a SECOND SCUM PLAYER only on D2! We must not allow scum to be lynched 2 days in a row! Save

HAPA

!!!!


Other than a brief stint by

hapa

in RVS...neither

hapa

or

Hawk

vote OoO.
OoO never had a vote on

hapa

that put

hapa

in serious danger and ignored

Hawk

aside from the EOD1 hammer.

hapa

and

Hawk

seem to be fond of OoO as well:
#455

hapa

calls OoO prob-town (along with Creature, momo and

Aubrey

) & calls OoO the driving force in the game so far.
#535

Hawk

understands why OoO is a town read of Creature's.
#690

hapa

calls OoO and momo.slot prob-town
#888

Hawk

says if

hapa

flips town to look at OoO. Knowing

hapa

would flip town therefore do not look at OoO.
#921

Hawk

says OoO is unlikely to be scum.
#1232

Hawk

townreading OoO, BV and Rels.
#1821

hapa

backs up OoO case on me and votes me.
#1827

hapa

"blatantly sheeping OoO on Fitz"

Rels has been a tr for me most of this game and knows OoO better than anyone else in this game. The fact OoO is a serious scum suspect to Rels only serves to strengthen my suspicions towards OoO.

I think providing an "Oh well" aka "Well shit" hammer on

Hawk

doesn't do anything for OoO. I think his backing off of his D1

hapa

suspicions only to defend him even moreso on D2 (when scum was starting to circle the drain) is even more telling.

I think VCA supports OoO being scum
Additionally...I think VCA almost locks in BV, Creature, and Rels as town.
If OoO isn't scum I think VCA would point to momo (despite my based on meta only town read on Doom), cassie................and maybe Kid. I hope this game doesn't go beyond OoO though because other than reservations towards momo I don't really want to imagine anyone else in the game as scum.

So VOTE: outoforder

[outoforder]

What a shallow case. Don't care to respond.

[outoforder]

Like i will give an example:

Other than a brief stint by hapa in RVS...neither hapa or Hawk vote OoO.

[momo]

Think about it this way.

Mafia would normally bus each other at one point in the game. That did not happen.

[outoforder]

Nonono momo. They definitely wouldn't! Especially when Fitz' conclusion is "there is 2 mafia in Hawk wagon". They definitely wouldn't! Why would they, it doesn't make any sense in any world!

[outoforder]

The only thing i am gonna say about this is that:
Before this:

His actual actions...

Nothing is alignment indicative or just straight up bs.

After it, when i flip town Fitz jsut made a case on himself : D

There is this gem too:

how would the fact that other player is essentially being called incompetent affect my willingness to listen to that player

Do you want to guess who i have "called out" for this?

If OoO isn't scum I think VCA would point to

momo

(despite my based on meta only town read on Doom),

cassie

................and maybe

Kid

Yeah, the thing is i say what i think is true (=i don't think they're helping much). You call them mafia (=you will do that when/if i flip).
^_^

DUNKED!

[havingfitz]

I find it hard to imagine both Hawk's scum partners would have bussed him

Translation = I doubt it.

Especially when Fitz' conclusion is "there is 2 mafia in Hawk wagon"

Scummy misquote of words or inference never mentioned.

OoO on more than one occasion has twisted comments or flat out misquoted people (me at least) to suite his agenda.

[outoforder]

one of the easiest reads of my life.
E A S I E S T . . . ^^

[outoforder]

I find it hard to imagine both Hawk's scum partners would have bussed him

Translation = I doubt it.

Especially when Fitz' conclusion is "there is 2 mafia in Hawk wagon"

Scummy misquote of words or inference never mentioned.

OoO on more than one occasion has twisted comments or flat out misquoted people (me at least) to suite his agenda.

Yeah yeah you're having it both ways no need to say anything else.

[outoforder]

Words say one thing and your actions say other (calling me and hapa both scum = literally 2 scum in hawk wagon).

[outoforder]

And that IS FUCKING KLITERALLY YOUR FUCKING LITERAL CONCLUSION BECAUSE YOURE CALLING ME MAFIA ALL GAME FUCKING LONG YOU SCUMMYSCUM!

[outoforder]

I am getiing mad at this fucking dumbass.

[outoforder]

Sorry, you're just mafia so it's understandable.

[havingfitz]

The only thing i am gonna say about this is that:
Before this:

His actual actions...

Nothing is alignment indicative or just straight up bs.

After it, when i flip town Fitz jsut made a case on himself : D

There is this gem too:

how would the fact that other player is essentially being called incompetent affect my willingness to listen to that player

Do you want to guess who i have "called out" for this?

If OoO isn't scum I think VCA would point to

momo

(despite my based on meta only town read on Doom),

cassie

................and maybe

Kid

Yeah, the thing is i say what i think is true (=i don't think they're helping much). You call them mafia (=you will do that when/if i flip).
^_^

DUNKED!

1) learn how to quote ffs.
2) wtf are you talking about?

[havingfitz]

I am getiing mad at this fucking dumbass.

Fuck you asshole. Go back to TL if you can't stand pressure. Fucktard.

[outoforder]

I am getiing mad at this fucking dumbass.

Fuck you asshole. Go back to TL if you can't stand pressure. Fucktard.

I thought you thought i am scum and this is not "pressure"?

[outoforder]

I would say L2P but you're scum so i won't. ^^

[havingfitz]

I thought you thought i am scum and this is not "pressure"?

Because the last scum can't be pressured? Right. Brilliant.

[outoforder]

Why would you ever want to pressure a read you think (know) is scum?
You are making it look like you're pressuring me which is something you shouldn't be doing because pressuing != telling people why scum is scum.

[havingfitz]

^^^ smh

I've explained why I think you are scum. The pressure is my suspicions/vote on you.
How does one make a case on scum in a non-pressuring manner?
I.e. (again)...wtf are you talking about?

Town!OoO shouldn't be literally freaking out at the prospect of a single survivable mislynch.

Scum!OoO should be annoyed as fcuk at the prospect of losing the game for scum.

[outoforder]

You're not getting the fact i don't give any single fucks if i am lynched or not because you're mafia and you're next.

[outoforder]

Except for being annoyed ofc, that doesn't translate into "he is trying to get himself not lynched" which you incorrectly imply.
If i did care about surviving i would not alienate all the people in the game. So yeah, when i am at L-1 i will self-hammer (try me people) and then you, the mafia scumming fitz gets lynched the next day and i am gonna call you all bad. ^^

[Creature]

BlackVoid...