Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

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I don't wifom NK's. When i am mafia i have a strategy and i follow it (even if in this game it causes me to lose it).
If i am mafia here my endgame is Kop/KidAmn/Cassielle mylo/lylo. And lynch Kop most likely.

What does it matter if i get lynched before or after Kop? Even with momo? town has 2 mislynches. they can lynch all me/Kop/momo in whatever order.
+ that gives another 2-3 weeks for you, Rels and Creature (at least 2 of them alive) to solve the game. Like dude, i am not dumb, If i was mafia, i would have avoided hitting you N1 because i would think you'd arm up. If that is the case i would 100% take the risk to shoot you on N2 considering the state the game is at. I... do... not... wifom the nk's... ^^ If i lose then i lose, but "my strategy with hitting Kop" 100% loses me the game every time.

[BlackVoid]

So, why does Fitz shoot Kop?

[BlackVoid]

What does it matter if i get lynched before or after Kop?

I was probably unclear. What I was saying was: if anybody else was mafia, Kop would have been one of their mislynches on the road to a win. You were the only person to whom this didn't apply because there's more than a decent chance you get lynched before Kop and the game ends. So, you'd have to make a kill that changes the gamestate and makes everyone rethink all their reads. A Kop kill does that.

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Idk.. Maybe he thought you wifomed N1 and didn't arm? You suspect Cass right? Kop voted for Fitz before hammering. Kop hammered and looked really town after that (regardless of what you said).

I really don't know. It's a dumb shot. I already talked about how fitz still has endgame with shooting Kop.

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What does it matter if i get lynched before or after Kop?

I was probably unclear. What I was saying was: if anybody else was mafia, Kop would have been one of their mislynches on the road to a win. You were the only person to whom this didn't apply because there's more than a decent chance you get lynched before Kop and the game ends. So, you'd have to make a kill that changes the gamestate and makes everyone rethink all their reads. A Kop kill does that.

This is not true.

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How can you even say that when you supect Cassielle????!?!?!?

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It's probably momo not paying attention at all.

Not really. If it's fitz he just needs me + momo lynches and suddenly he is in lylo with Cassielle and KidAmn. BlackVoid hard townreads him for some weird reasons, same does Cassielle. That's an endgame i would take as mafia, probably his best shot. Maybe he thought people have wifomed and didn't arm up on N1 (for the record i was a little sad when i saw Aubrey flip without a mafia flip since it's always correct play for EVERY townie to arm up on N1 and not wifom it in case there is a mafia lynch - apparently people didn't really think about these setup stuffz.. You gain a mislynch regardless of if mafia shoots someone or doesn't on N1).

[BlackVoid]

If that is the case i would 100% take the risk to shoot you on N2 considering the state the game is at.

I was the only person even listening to you though. If you shoot me, nothing changes. Rels would lead the lynch on you and Fitz would happily join in. You've already alienated Cass and KidAmn so they'd be unlikely to stick their necks out to save you and one of the lurkers would finish the job. Killing me N2 pretty much assures you'll get lynched D3.

[BlackVoid]

How can you even say that when you supect Cassielle????!?!?!?

I'm not sure I follow. What does my suspicion of Cass have to do with anything?

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If that is the case i would 100% take the risk to shoot you on N2 considering the state the game is at.

I was the only person even listening to you though. If you shoot me, nothing changes. Rels would lead the lynch on you and Fitz would happily join in. You've already alienated Cass and KidAmn so they'd be unlikely to stick their necks out to save you and one of the lurkers would finish the job. Killing me N2 pretty much assures you'll get lynched D3.

No, if i am mafia i cannot be reasonable and you possibly wont listen because you're a good player.
I do not take risks like that.

If i am mafia and i shot Aubrey N1 that is because i feared you are arming up and i crossed my fingers he wasnt. If i did that and my scumteam is fucking broken and lynched on N2 i always shoot you. Alllllll-fucking-ways.

Look i don't even care if you lynch me, so i don't really wanna argue about this since i am not the one to convince you if you have came to a conclusion that Kop kill makes me mafia. I said what i wanted to say, if you wanna lycnh me you can do so but please do not try to convince me i am mafia.

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How can you even say that when you supect Cassielle????!?!?!?

I'm not sure I follow. What does my suspicion of Cass have to do with anything?

Fitz doesn't need you dead.

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If/when me+momo flips there are still enough suspects for him to LYLO.

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How the fuck have i "alienated Cass and KidAmn"??
Cass voted WITH me on D2. KidAmn has just expressed his interest in lynching fitz...
How?

[BlackVoid]

I'm not trying to convince you you're mafia. I'm bringing up my suspicions of you so you can respond to them and if you are town, convince me I'm wrong. I'm not the kind of player to lynch through a bunch of suspects and be happy if I lynch mafia 50% of the time. I'll never be completely happy with my performance unless I lynched mafia 100% of the time and I have every intention of ending the game today. So, yeah I'll look over your case on Fitz and re-read until I'm absolutely sure. But right now, I'm not convinced that Fitz is more likely to be mafia than you. I do want to observe Fitz's ISO closely though. There's something about his D2 posting where I felt he wasn't particularly excited to lynch his scumread Hap so I want to look more into that.

Regarding Cass and KidAmn, both claimed that you were using personal attacks towards the beginning of D2. I'll have to continue my read of D2 to see what happened later but bottomline is I think you'd rather have me alive than either of them.

By the way, question for Fitz;

@HavingFitz -

can you post examples where you were against a scum lynch as town (or just against any lynch and where you defended that player in a somewhat similar way to how you defended Hawk here). Also, can you show examples as town where you held onto your vote and didn't vote until very late in the day? You did this both D1 and D2 here.

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And i literally dont care about if people listen to me or not. I have been lynched maybe 8 or 9 times as town. 4 of them have been when i have ONLY called scum out the whole fucking game. Yeah it makes me very mafia always..... 2 of the games i was legit terrible and probably deserved to get lynched. One of the games i made a plan that i laid out to the host after getting lynched (for it), i figured the game out on N1 based on the setup.... One of them was when i afk'd for 24 hrs and everyone called me mafia and then i made a post where i called out 5/5 mafia and 1/1 SK (and one townie ) but hey rayn must be lynched because afk no matter what he posted... After that game... You might wanna wonder why i don't really care anymore.

/end rant

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Regarding Cass and KidAmn, both claimed that you were using personal attacks towards the beginning of D2. I'll have to continue my read of D2 to see what happened later but bottomline is I think you'd rather have me alive than either of them.

If i am mafia i am never shooting either of them in this game on N2 over any of you/Rels/Creature. Never ever. If Rels doesn't agree to this he is fucking scum.

[Rels]

Yeah OOO is 99% scum. Nobody else makes this kill.
I wanna reread the game before committing to that though

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One thing more though BV (unless you wanna ask me about something else still, i think i need to sleep in about 1-2 hrs) and everyone. If there is ever a LYLO between EVEN one of BV/Rels/Creature alive, ALWAYS lynch them, ALWAYSSSSSS!!! All of those people are good enough to solve the game BEFORE lylo and should do so. 100% of the time. If i am in that lylo you can lynch me no questions asked because if that's the case i have failed and town deserves to lose.

Remember this post please, especially Cass and KidAmn!!

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Yeah OOO is 99% scum. Nobody else makes this kill.
I wanna reread the game before committing to that though

fuck you. then lynch me, i will 1v1 and make sure you're lynched the day after you idiot.
you cannot fucking think like that.

Explain, why do i make the kill?

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I LITERALLY WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK I MAKE THE KILL RELS. BEFORE ANYONE FLIPS.
Now, go! You have just awaken the beast.

[Rels]

Yeah OOO is 99% scum. Nobody else makes this kill.
I wanna reread the game before committing to that though

fuck you. then lynch me, i will 1v1 and make sure you're lynched the day after you idiot.
you cannot fucking think like that.

Explain, why do i make the kill?

Cause you're in a bad spot and that's the only way to victory. Conventional kill always gets you lynched with 3 lynches available. And bad night kills very often comes from scum that are in a bad spot.

[Rels]

haha. Fight me bro

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Yeah OOO is 99% scum. Nobody else makes this kill.
I wanna reread the game before committing to that though

fuck you. then lynch me, i will 1v1 and make sure you're lynched the day after you idiot.
you cannot fucking think like that.

Explain, why do i make the kill?

Cause you're in a bad spot and that's the only way to victory. Conventional kill always gets you lynched with 3 lynches available. And bad night kills very often comes from scum that are in a bad spot.

Explain "Conventional kill always gets you lynched with 3 lynches available"?
Explain why you are not mafia with "bad night kills very often comes from scum that are in a bad spot"?

[Rels]

Yeah OOO is 99% scum. Nobody else makes this kill.
I wanna reread the game before committing to that though

fuck you. then lynch me, i will 1v1 and make sure you're lynched the day after you idiot.
you cannot fucking think like that.

Explain, why do i make the kill?

Cause you're in a bad spot and that's the only way to victory. Conventional kill always gets you lynched with 3 lynches available. And bad night kills very often comes from scum that are in a bad spot.

Explain "Conventional kill always gets you lynched with 3 lynches available"?
Explain why you are not mafia with "bad night kills very often comes from scum that are in a bad spot"?

Why am I in a bad spot ?

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because 2 mafia have died. if you're mafia you're just as in a bad spot than i am if i am mafia.