Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Erg0]

Ugh.

[Toaster Strudel]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count:

6: Peers*

(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager, Setael, ABR)

6: Kscope

(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR)

3: MoS***

(Kscope, IH, Peers*)

2: Quagmire***

(Battle Mage, JordanA24)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

1: Bookitty

(Quagmire***)

Now, that's what I call an interesting race.

[Toaster Strudel]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count: EBWOP

6: Peers*

(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager, Setael)

6: Kscope

(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR)

3: MoS***

(Kscope, IH, Peers*)

2: Quagmire***

(Battle Mage, JordanA24)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

1: Bookitty

(Quagmire***)

Now, that's what I call an interesting race.

[Peers]

Hrm. Well, I guess I'll do what anyone else would do if they had a chance to save someone they know is 100% town...

Unvote vote: Kscope

[Setael]

[b]unvote, vote: kscope[/b]

[IH]

How come EVERY GAME I'M IN WITH KSCOPE, he is wagoned for no reason, other than lurking or something stupid.

plz let's not b stoopid.

[Erg0]

Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.

[Toaster Strudel]

How come EVERY GAME I'M IN WITH KSCOPE, he is wagoned for no reason, other than lurking or something stupid.

Take it up with Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized, MoS.

And stop complaining, there were plenty of good reasons to vote Quagmire, and you passed.

[Toaster Strudel]

Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.

What do you mean? BTW your vote tags didn't work.

[Toaster Strudel]

Oops Erg0 I confused you with Setael.

[IH]

There's alot better reasons to vote for Panzer or MoS.

[IH]

Why did ABR switch from a larger wagon to a smaller wagon to end the day on page 50?

[Erg0]

Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.

What do you mean? BTW your vote tags didn't work.

I mean that I jumped onto Kscope wagon in almost identical circumstances in another large game, and he was town. He just seems to be an easy target for the town that runs out of ideas.

[IH]

I think Ergo and I were both in that game actually[/offtopic]

But this generally happens to Kscope in everygame.

[Toaster Strudel]

There's alot better reasons to vote for Panzer or MoS.

I agree, about MoS for sure. But since the MoS wagon stalled, I switched to KScope.

I'll leave you to convince people to revive the MoS wagon, you can count on my vote. Good luck.

[Toaster Strudel]

Agreed. I already made this mistake once (ongoing game), I'm not doing it again.

What do you mean? BTW your vote tags didn't work.

I mean that I jumped onto Kscope wagon in almost identical circumstances in another large game, and he was town. He just seems to be an easy target for the town that runs out of ideas.

There have been plenty of ideas, plenty of wagons, and equally plenty of derailments, and downright sabotage by you-know-who.

[Erg0]

Hence the phrase "run out of ideas". With all of the previous wagons failing, the town has implicitly consented to an easy lynch that most can feel comfortable with. I wonder how many of the people on the Kscope wagon would actually list him as their top suspect?

[Quagmire]

Hence the phrase "run out of ideas". With all of the previous wagons failing, the town has implicitly consented to an easy lynch that most can feel comfortable with. I wonder how many of the people on the Kscope wagon would actually list him as their top suspect?

I'm on your side buddy. I'm voting for Bookitty.

[Setael]

Ok I'm done voting for the biggest wagon, but I still think we really need to lynch someone.

erg0 - for someone who hasn't given much in the way of suspicions the whole game, you're awfully judgmental of the town. Have you stated suspicion of anyone but Peers?

I think my #1 suspect right now is actually Panzer. So I'll go with that.

unvote, vote: Panzer

[Erg0]

Some would call it consistency. I've had Peers as my top suspect throughout the day, but if you read my posts you'll see he's far from the only player I've talked about. I've felt throughout the day that his posting was scummy enough that the wagon would eventually come back around to him if I persisted in pushing him, and that was exactly what happened. I just can't believe that we're still flailing around wildly at this point in the day, apparently swinging to whatever wagon catches everyone's attention.

I'm particularly interest in Albert's vote switch, which marked a significant swing in the momentum when it looked likely that Peers was finally going to get his comeuppance. Albert's been extremely wagonny, even for him, so far.

[Toaster Strudel]

Albert's been extremely wagonny, even for him, so far.

Thank god. We're what, now? On page 52? Day 1... we're not wagonny enough. Thank god for players like ABR that keep this game alive. I'm not about to berate wagonny players. Not here, not now, not today, not in this game.

I'm on your side buddy. I'm voting for Bookitty.

Yeah, good job, you're voting, at deadline, for a player that has only your vote. That's so scummy, hiding off-wagon like that.

I think my #1 suspect right now is actually Panzer. So I'll go with that.

unvote, vote: Panzer

Yeah, good job, you're voting, at deadline, for a player that has only your vote. That's so scummy, hiding off-wagon like that.

[Bookitty]

People I think have a higher than average probability of being scum:

Peers, hasdgfas, zu faul, Quagmire
(reasons for all have been given already, I think)

People I'm undecided about but suspicious of:

MoS (I can't shake the thought that he always plays like this)
Setael (I'm suspicious because of the repeated no-reason-given wagon jumps)

People I think are probably town that other people are expressing suspicion of:

KScope (reasoning: he always plays like this to my knowledge)
Yosarian2 (this one is longer. His being scum depends on Quagmire being scum, I think, and he wagoned Quagmire to L-1, a risky move if he didn't intend to bus him, which clearly he didn't, therefore, probably not scum)

I'd wagon any of the four people first listed in order to get a lynch. I think any of the four are a safe bet.

Questions, refutations, defenses and demands for evidence are always welcomed.

[Toaster Strudel]

Hence the phrase "run out of ideas". With all of the previous wagons failing, the town has implicitly consented to an easy lynch that most can feel comfortable with. I wonder how many of the people on the Kscope wagon would actually list him as their top suspect?

If this town cannot be convinced that a player that needs to be brought to lynch minus one to read his role PM and may still be lying about it, wastes 2/3 of this interminable day 1 on a copycat policy vote (I hope you realize I'd

never played with Quagmire before

, so why he'd policy vote me, is anyone's guess), then wastes the rest of the day voting for a very rational player (Bookitty) who has, so far, played an intelligent, logical game, and maintains this absurd vote near deadline, a player that refuses to claim, refuses to answer questions from ANYONE, and that declares openly that he's "not playing" this game, well... let's face it, we're never going to lynch anyone.

And at some point, we have to cooperate. Since you all decided that Quagmire was too precious an asset to the game for us to spare, since there is resistence to an MoS lynch, since I can't seem to convince anyone that Yosarian2 is scummy... I'm cooperating with the rest of you, and, from the leftovers that our current bandwagons are, I chose Kscope, because *maybe* and I admit it's a long shot, he's being bus'ed. Do I really think we're lynching scum with Peers or Kscope? Chances are really slim. Is it pathetic? Absolutely. If we're going to lynch an iffy lurker, we might as well lynch an outright negative influence, such as Quagmire, but since some of you can't imagine this game going on without him, well, I'll cooperate with your wishes, and you can continue to enjoy the pleasure of his company until endgame if you wish.

Now, that's selfless cooperation.

[Toaster Strudel]

MoS (I can't shake the thought that he always plays like this)

META on MoS:

Cheerful (just a hint of cranky): Power role
Cranky (plain old cranky): Town
Anxious (cranky but with some hand wringing): Scum

[Toaster Strudel]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count:

8: Kscope

(Zu_Faul**, Yosarian2***, schismatized, MoS***, TS, ABR, Peers*, Setael)

5: Peers*

(YagamiLight**, Erg0, hasdgfas*, Bookitty, Panzerjager)

3: MoS***

(Kscope, IH)

2: Quagmire***

(Battle Mage, JordanA24)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

1: Bookitty

(Quagmire***)

1: Panzer

(Setael)

Boo, would you be willing to switch your vote to Quag? I would too, and that would bring Peers and Quagmire head to head at 4:4: - it would be interesting to see how the votes shift after that. Otherwise we'll be looking at a Kscope lynch, which is pretty loser in terms of the information we'll get from it tomorrow. It will be WIFOM-contaminated, because Kscope has been lurkerish, and no one really feels particularly strongly about the merit of the lynch. Lynching Quagmire will give us the clearest picture.