Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Thyroidectomy]

Kill somebody please.

[Shanba]

oh, we are still doing vote counts...well, put me down for

vote nocmen

didnt like his play day 1...didnt like his assocaition (or lack there of) with schis.

wonder if the king will listen to the will of his people?

Not when the people are being retarded.

Oman, claimordie.

[stark]

Not listening to your people is the sign of a terrible despot, comrade Shanba.


Why Oman?

[Flameaxe]

Not listening to your people is the sign of a terrible despot, comrade Shanba.


Why Oman?

Shanba rules over his town with an iron fist. An iron fist...


of communism.

[Nocmen]

I think tis more like a sense of common sense.

[Shanba]

Not listening to your people is the sign of a terrible despot, comrade Shanba.


Why Oman?

Read Oman's posts.

Also, I cannot for the life of me understand the attack on Nocmen. I'm not going to do something just because the people demand it if I don't think it's the right thing to do.

Perhaps I'm just mad with power.

[stark]

Alright Chairman Shanba, crush your insurrection.

Have you noticed any Oman posts in particular that you find suspicious, or just in general?

If option A, I would be most greatful if you could point them out to me

If option B, I'll do a re-read of the last 10 pages with OmanFocus.


I believe the argument in favor of Nocmen lynch to my limited understanding is that Nocmen has run the town around a bush with his post restriction business, and then on reflection proved to be not entirely consistent within the bounds of his claimed PR.

[Belgarion]

By my count Schis voted 7 times. Each time, when no one would listen to his crap he would unvote/vote a new, sometimes jumping on bandwagons. One band wagon he never jumped on was Nocmen’s.

And if I am correct, Schis’s lynch was nocmen vote free.

Page 6 when both Noc and Thyro are leading in votes, Schis unvotes and votes thyro to make him vote leader. Once Nocman is not the vote leader, does Schis unvote and vote K-scope (page 10).

Post 467, schis says that the two scummiest players in the game are Thyro and Noc, then why did he NEVER vote Nocmen once?

Post 471, schis votes me, what happened to Noc and Thyro?

Anyone curious why Nocmen never jumped on Schis’s wagon? Anyone curious why Schis who was an obvious vote hopper/bandwagoner never voted Noc (who he labeled as the scummiest). ANyone curious why his PR is not constant?

Shanba please address these issues with the obvious Schis/Nocmen link. I see no “retarded” reasons here.

Vote Nocmen.

[Shanba]

Hrm.

I think I see the case now. TBH, though, I'm still ambivalent. I dispute the validity of

ANyone curious why his PR is not constant?

which I believe is a myth propagated by Jdodge. It is interesting that schis didn't actually vote Nocmen, but eh. He seemed to be following a policy at the time of sabotage Thyroid's ticket selling, rather than going after those he thought he could lynch.

I also don't think it's obvious. I don't think 1 set of posts from schis is enough to cement anything. I

don't

like the way he's rushed to me for support when it looked like I would help him out.

I'll add him to the LoE.

I see no “retarded” reasons here.

This is referring to the PR thing, which I'm still 97% sure is a red herring.

The other thing that worries me is a few votes on the wagon that strike me as opportunistic.

LoE: Nocmen, Oman, Nightson

@Stark: General impression. See if you can find anything interesting that he's added to the conversation. Heck, see if you can find anything he's added at all. I also dislike a few of his individual posts, one especially seems out of place.

Oman: claimordie retracted. For a bit.

[somestrangeflea]

The other thing that worries me is a few votes on the wagon that strike me as opportunistic.

Opportunistic voting as a scumtell doesn't really apply when votes don't put anyone any closer to a lynch. Quickly taking an opportunity to do what?

[stark]

Alright man,


So I started on p31. Maybe I should have gone back farther, and if you can point out a spot in which Oman is particularly scummy before 31, go for it.

Oman hasn't really said much, with the exception of doing the lynch>nolynch bit with ssf, which has been pointed out.

But if you can show me where your feelings are coming from man, go for it. I'm fine either way.

[Thyroidectomy]

Shanba, executing Nocmen after being assured he was town, and even then to put Oman in your execution list, is highly, highly suspect. In fact, it reminds me a bit of pj's performance in Kingmaker II

[stark]

Shanba, executing Nocmen after being assured he was town, and even then to put Oman in your execution list, is highly, highly suspect. In fact, it reminds me a bit of pj's performance in Kingmaker II

1. I probably missed something Tyroid. Where was Nocmen confirmed?

2. Might you be so kind as to explain the last bit, man?

[Thyroidectomy]

1. I did not say Nocmen was confirmed.
2. PetroleumJelly was a player in Kingmaker Two, which can be found in Theme Park.

[stark]

Ah, ok, my bad man. By whom was Shanba assured that Nocmen was town?

And in regards to your second bit, I'm assuming PJ was scum in that game?

Even if Shanba is scum, there ain't much we can do about that right now

So unless Shanba wants to volunteer to execute himself, who would you like to see killed, Thyroid?

[Oman]

Shanba, still want that claim?

[Shanba]

Shanba, executing Nocmen after being assured he was town, and even then to put Oman in your execution list, is highly, highly suspect. In fact, it reminds me a bit of pj's performance in Kingmaker II

Eh.

I was not convinced that Nocmen was town. I was convinced that the only angle I saw people attacking him from, that is, the PR thing, was bullcrap. I'm still sure of that.

Oman has been on my execution list since the beginning of the day, and is still there. Did you mean Nocmen? If that's the case, then I clearly stated that if someone could show me a half decent case, I would put him on the LoE. Belgarion has done that.

Oman: Not atm. Investigating other possibilities. Keep in mind that you're suspect no1 though.

[Shanba]

Schism is scum.

I haven't read the thread, so don't take that too heavily.

This was Oman's first post. This is also, strangely enough, my biggest issue with him being scum. It seems to me unlikely that a scum, especially an experienced player like Oman would refer to a scumbuddy like that in his first post of the game. Not impossible, but there's no real logical reason for him to do so.

This is his next post:

Where has my beautiful foolinc wagon gone?

QFT

Shanba is win.

It seems fairly out of left field to me. I don't get it. This is his only reference to foolinc, and he doesn't vote for him, or indicate any suspicion, except to affirm that he agrees with me.

He then has a small tiff with schismatized, making some small point about how he thinks schism should be smarter than this on kscope.

so your condoning his behavior until you lynch an innocent townie and can figure out a reputable defense/scapegoat

Don't put words into my mouth.

I just believe that wagoning is not a scumtell on face value. I mean, my early play was wagon wagon wagon regardless of alignment.

My point about alignments is that if Kscope is on EVERY wagon, there is no connections to be found (i.e. rejecting a scumbuddies wagon).

He continues to argue with schismatized, but there's no vote - this worries me. (It's like the thing that Belgarion brought up with Nocmen, (with the same caveat that alone it is not conclusive))

Then there's the rest of his posts. He's not exactly posting frequently, so you'd hope he would post something useful in each post. But...

Vote Simenon

Razz

(also lost)

Rawr?

Quick someone nominate him for "meep" title. [/sarcasm]

This thread is less interesting than site ideas.

jediknight, I'm sorta throwing my vote around as they don't count.

UA has two votes up though, so I can vote for as many people as I want?

Vote Nocmen, vote Nocmen

This is also interspersed with casual defences of players. This is very easy for scum to do. He can state his disagreement with lynches on townies and get easy brownie points, especially when he doesn't but a whole lot of effort into making these defences:

Its interesting, but nothing big until we get an alignment. I will review it later.

Its a rookie mistake.

I just believe that wagoning is not a scumtell on face value. I mean, my early play was wagon wagon wagon regardless of alignment.

My point about alignments is that if Kscope is on EVERY wagon, there is no connections to be found (i.e. rejecting a scumbuddies wagon).

Then there's the Nocmen vote. One of the issues I have with the Nocmen wagon is just how easy it feels. Now, that does not preclude him being scum - it could be that his partners are bussing, or inactive, or lurking, or whatever. However, easy wagons always worry me. As to why I dislike Oman's vote:

It's a very, very easy vote to make. For one, it's on a very well accepted wagon. His hop on it puts him in good company. For a second, we have the kingmaker mechanic. This means that his vote has no consequences - if the Nocmen lynch is a mislynch, suspicion falls on the king. And it gets worse, too, because it becomes a dilemna for the king - stark's comments are true, to an extent. If he ignores the people, then he gets suspected, especially if he kills a townie. It adds to the bulk of the Nocmen wagon and thus the pressure on the king to act on it.

Thusly I disagree with flea.

And thusly I think Oman is likely scum.

[stark]

Well done sir.

Go for it.

I was on the Nocmen wagon, but seeing this has convinced me.

[mneme]

Oman. I know only shamba's vote counts today, but I'd certainly like to see that claim.

[Oman]

This was Oman's first post. This is also, strangely enough, my biggest issue with him being scum

I can explain that, though if thats whats keeping you from killing me do I want to?

Okay, I get bonuses for people QFTing me. I picked the person with the most votes, and said they're scum, therefore most likely to get me a keffed.

[curiouskarmadog]

what kind of bonuses?

and save me ther reread, has anyone QFTed you yet?

[jediknight]

Okay...this is my first game back for a long time. I keep retiring and unretiring. So I'm sorry for having to ask.

Whats QFT?

[Nocmen]

It means quoted for truth, and now I will make sure no to quote or cue-eff-tee anything Oman says. Though post 793 seems like a good setup, so at the very least he thought this "claim" out. Same with post 777, Oman asking for the cue-eff-tee. That and a later QFT though, are all I found regarding this "ability".

[Thyroidectomy]

So unless Shanba wants to volunteer to execute himself, who would you like to see killed, Thyroid?

I think it's perfectly valid for me to criticize the king. While I have supported Shanba through this whole game, I feel he is doing a terrible job as king.

Who do I want to kill? Two people.

First is ZONEACE, for his general apathetic attitude, his lack even paying a bit of attention to schis, and his bumbling right before my lynch.

The second is the author of this post:

Well done sir.

Go for it.

I was on the Nocmen wagon, but seeing this has convinced me.

This is indicating scum for me.