Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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Shanba So win
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Shanba So win
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I guess this is my issue with the vollkan thing:
You've provided a situation where vollkan is scum. That's great, but not too useful. It can be done just about any player in the game. It doesn't prove anything, as there are multiple and, in fact, innumerable explanations for each event. It's highly unlikely yours is correct - even if vollkan is scum, there are again, many many possibilities competing with your theory. You have a choice in how to proceed, then.
Your first choice is to prove that yours is the correct scenario. This is nigh impossible. For one, you may not be correct in your theory. What if, say, vollkan was an SK who decided to set up a vig claim? In that case, you couldn't prove your theory, because it would be untrue. Even minor variations could throw you off. The second difficulty is that, as I said before, each action can be interpreted in many different ways. It's difficult to see how you can prove that each action can be interpreted how you want it to.
There is, however, a second choice, which is much simpler and would provide conclusive evidence of vollkan being scum. He has provided his own testimony. There's no reason for him to be lying if he's town. As such, if you can prove that he's lying, or disprove his account of events, you might have a case. As it stands, eh. I'm not convinced.
Anyway. I'll go have that looksee now.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Shanba So win
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OK, well I do have a few thoughts.
First off, I have a notion that pete d is scum. His play towards bookitty is odd, as is hers towards him. He attacks her, but in a softly softly style. He successfully identified two scum, but was very cautious about them. Bookitty also lists him as a suspect, but only when she's going down does she focus on him. Not certain, but keeping an eye on him.
Lowell also reads as scummy. None of his posts have given me a great vibe and I dislike his play on the bookitty wagon.
Finally, I'm somewhat suspicious of Poro, too, for his complete lack of content, despite having quite a few posts. Lurking in plain sight.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Shanba So win
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Patrick Rantbuddy
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Volkan (3) -- Albert B. Rampage, Setael, Lowell
Porochaz (3) -- farside22, pete d, Mastermind of Sin
Setael (1) -- Dragon Phoenix
Lowell (1) -- Shanba
Not Voting: volkan, Battle Mage, Porochaz
11 alive, 6 to lynch.
Note: I'll be without internet access from the 14th to the 17th.Primpod 11:13 pm
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Shanba So win
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Well I"m sticking with Porochaz (sorry about the samruc name, must cut games down). He really hasn't done anything has far has scum hunting. His vote when BooKitty was up didn't help at all. As I stated he voted for Albert and then when someone pointed out that Albert was mason he changed it to Lowell. He voted for Setael and I think that is because of what she said about him and Volkan being scum partners.
I think it is more likely then not that Volkan is telling the truth. I honestly can't see what scum would gain with Setael dead. She was the next to be lynched in many people's mind and would have kept however many scum there are safe for at least one lynch. It's possible Volkan is the SK, but I doubt mafia scum.
Also I find it odd that CKD let himself be lynched. It was either (a) he really couldn't find a way not to get himself lynched next day (which is really odd) or (b) my comment about focusing on him and Poro for the next day made him decide to try and help his scum buddy out by sacrificing himself, knowing Setael would look like some (seems more pausible).Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Setael Mafia Scum
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I'm confused.
Anyway, vollkan - if you're a town vig that can kill every night, why didn't you vig me after the Bookitty lynch? What about me made you think I wasn't scum to the point of not vigging me, and how did my play yesterday change your mind so quickly?
Shanba (and anyone else who's active but not posting), what do you think of my case on vollkan in post 665, as well as my earlier cases pointing out the link between him and ckd?-
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Porochaz Oh, Prozac
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Erm Setael... your dead, unfortunetly, which erm... how can I say this politely... means you have lost the ability to type, talk, bake brownies, breathe basically... so yeah good luck in the afterlife.
Right I'm going to look over Volkan but not just now... I willvote Lowellwhat has he done exactly?Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Setael Mafia Scum
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1) Do you have an explanation for there being no mafia NKs both N1 and N2?farside wrote:I think it is more likely then not that Volkan is telling the truth. I honestly can't see what scum would gain with Setael dead. She was the next to be lynched in many people's mind and would have kept however many scum there are safe for at least one lynch. It's possible Volkan is the SK, but I doubt mafia scum.
2) Did you read my post 665?
I find it odd that someone would not even consider the option that vollkan is scum, considering it makes perfect sense. Sure that doesn't mean it's a sure thing, but it's a good possibility and therefore odd to discount it entirely.-
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Porochaz Oh, Prozac
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Setael Mafia Scum
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Porochaz Oh, Prozac
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Shanba So win
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Dragon Phoenix Don't shoot the mod
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Unvote Streetflo/Setael
I would actually not mind lynching Porochaz. This is the second time that it is clear he is not paying sufficient attention to the game, which might also explain a bizarre night choice. In addition, I find it intriguing that he knows Setael is dead whereas a lot of other things escape him.
Vote Porochaz-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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You make a good point.Dragon Phoenix wrote:Unvote Streetflo/Setael
I would actually not mind lynching Porochaz. This is the second time that it is clear he is not paying sufficient attention to the game, which might also explain a bizarre night choice. In addition, I find it intriguing that he knows Setael is dead whereas a lot of other things escape him.
Vote PorochazUnvote, vote PorochazGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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I was hoping that this question did not get asked, but I will answer it (In fact, you guessed it yourself on the previous page):Setael wrote: Anyway, vollkan - if you're a town vig that can kill every night, why didn't you vig me after the Bookitty lynch? What about me made you think I wasn't scum to the point of not vigging me, and how did my play yesterday change your mind so quickly?
I'm only a one-shot vig. My hope was that if I kept quiet on this matter the mafia would NK me thinking I was a normal vig, when in fact I am basically only a vanilla now. Additionally, I figured that getting NKed would remove any risk of me being lynched and of a day being wasted. For those that like meta - I attempted a similar move in Mini 486, where I was a vig-mason that could kill each night, but I claimed one-shot vig (with no mason part) in the hopes of avoiding the scum NK. On N1 I was yet to make my proper analyses and decide on somebody confidently enough to want to kill them. As you saw, I did those two PBPAs of yourself and CKD. They weren't just to help me for the D2 lynch, it cemented my suspicion of Setael I for the NK.
Another few PBPAs coming soon.-
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Porochaz Oh, Prozac
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Hokay... who's going to be the 6th... theres not really much defense I can put up to this beyond, I don't read carefully enough. Im not going to say something like your making a mistake... cause scum would also say that... Setael or Shabna Im betting will be the 6th vote... not cause there scum I dont know, I am just guessing... In case you want my claim, Im sure you don't, Im just a plain vanilla... or the UnNKable cop-doctor-roleblocker-rolechanger-vig so long as both Glork and Ether replace into this game. No, Im just town.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Albert B. Rampage Survivor
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Porochaz Oh, Prozac
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