Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

[hapahauli]

Is that hammer?

[BlackVoid]

Yeah. Me, Rels, Creature, Fitz, KidAmn, and Kop.

[cassielle]

Okay, so hapahauli just replaced into another game. That pretty much confirms that he's scum and his excuses for being busy are a load of bullshit.

Can someone please take Fitz off of L-1 and lynch Hap? We can revisit Fitz tomorrow.

since kidamn voted, ill just call intent to hammer regardless of which of those wagons its for
UNVOTE:

both are good lynches in different ways. fitz is the better one but hapa's flip is, i think, indicative of fitz's alignment. so we indirectly catch scum on a town!hapa flip and we get a near-confirmed townie on a scum!hapa flip

i think hapa is indicative of fitz's alignment because fitz was pushing hapa for a lynch before i even replaced in on d1, and that wagon had momentum. no brakes were applied and requests for more votes were made -- scum wouldnt unprovoked-hard-bus that sort of way in this setup, but fitz has been a lot more cautious on most other wagons to come up

the opposite (fitz being alignment indicative for hapa) is NOT necessarily true i think (it would narrow possible worlds down more, however -- scum!fitz has two possible teams, scum!hapa has three)

p-edit damnit hammer

[cassielle]

my vote was on the fitz wagon so its still hammer. seeya next dayphase

[hapahauli]

Look at how adorable I am. Why did you club me to death?

[KidAmn]

Phreeeow. Kop needs to be looked at real close tomorrow for that speedhammer, regardless of flip (FWIW I think that in a setup like this where scum have to be aware of PGO WIFOM games, it's much harder to say "X can't be scum, they fasthammered Y and Y was scum)

[Creature]

Well, one more scum.

[Creature]

Had hapahauli as scum because of Open 670, just couldn't tell it.

[BlackVoid]

By the way, Kop isn't clear and could be scum with Hap. If Kop is scum, then him being the counterwagon to scum-Hawk is meaningless because in that scenario Fitz and Rels would both be town. I'll copy-paste the stuff I was writing up about Kop last night: There are only two significant interactions here. The first is the back-and-forth in 356 where Hawk soft-suspects Kop of scumslipping and Kop's response in 520 where he clarifies but doesn't take a stance on Hawk's alignment. The second is the sequence of 887, 888, and 889 which happened the page after my first reads-wall. It's possible that when it seemed like the momentum would swing from Hap to Rels, both Kop and Hawk latched onto that. I wouldn't discount Cass as scum for the same reason.

I spent quite some time D1 thinking Cass and Hap were cross-bussing. That's something that should be considered as well.

outoforder has a bunch of interactions with Hap that I think would be hard to fake but I'm no longer reading him as obvtown after his defense of Hap D2 and he should be considered in more detail. He engaged Hawk early but didn't really say much about Hawk except having him as a tertiary scumread towards the end of D1.

Fitz probably isn't scum with Hap. I can't rule it out entirely without looking more closely but I'm thinking he'd jump at the Rels or KidAmn wagons D1 if he were scum.

Doomfeathers is the only reason I'm townreading Momo. His contribution has been really bad and he needs to be forced to step it up tomorrow. Hawk came in pushing Doom but never really followed up on that. I still think the way Doom replaced out while guessing the scumteam is a towntell though.

Creature is 100% town and KidAmn most likely is too.

Rels is probably the toughest to sort. I still feel there was something weird about the "Welcome to the game hapahauli" phrase he said followed by withdrawing his scumread and pushing whoever Hap wanted as the lynches for the day. I wouldn't discount a bus possibility entirely if he thought Fitz would get lynched today and then he could push outoforder next before finally hard-bussing and getting to mylo. I did think there were a few genuine posts though where he "realized" that outoforder is mafia.

So yeah, if I'm dead, whoever is alive please gamesolve and don't quicklynch. At least take a week per day phase if you don't want to use all the time.

[Kop]

Phreeeow. Kop needs to be looked at real close tomorrow for that speedhammer, regardless of flip (FWIW I think that in a setup like this where scum have to be aware of PGO WIFOM games, it's much harder to say "X can't be scum, they fasthammered Y and Y was scum)

Didn't look for the vote count when I voted, still thought Fitz had the highest, and you never put L-1. If you had, I wouldn't have voted.

But I can take one for the team tomorrow if you would like to lynch me based on that hammer.

[outoforder]

Ah he was scum.
Now i am lost.

[outoforder]

Should have trusted the you-never-do-this-read at the atart of the game.

[Creature]

And now we think...

[Creature]

but tbh hapahauli was my last confident read.

[Creature]

OoO, Rels, BV, I like all of them for town.

[KidAmn]

Phreeeow. Kop needs to be looked at real close tomorrow for that speedhammer, regardless of flip (FWIW I think that in a setup like this where scum have to be aware of PGO WIFOM games, it's much harder to say "X can't be scum, they fasthammered Y and Y was scum)

Didn't look for the vote count when I voted, still thought Fitz had the highest, and you never put L-1. If you had, I wouldn't have voted.

But I can take one for the team tomorrow if you would like to lynch me based on that hammer.

I'd like to think there are degrees of distinction between "look at closely" and "instalynch based on X alone". You make a fair point, I wasn't aware it was L-1 either as VCs have been a little more sporadic than I'm used to elsewhere.

[BlackVoid]

I really do want to know how Cass winded up on the Fitz wagon after having Hap as such a confident scumread D1. Hap/Hawk interactions actually sealed it rather than be cause for doubt.

[Kop]

Phreeeow. Kop needs to be looked at real close tomorrow for that speedhammer, regardless of flip (FWIW I think that in a setup like this where scum have to be aware of PGO WIFOM games, it's much harder to say "X can't be scum, they fasthammered Y and Y was scum)

Didn't look for the vote count when I voted, still thought Fitz had the highest, and you never put L-1. If you had, I wouldn't have voted.

But I can take one for the team tomorrow if you would like to lynch me based on that hammer.

I'd like to think there are degrees of distinction between "look at closely" and "instalynch based on X alone". You make a fair point, I wasn't aware it was L-1 either as VCs have been a little more sporadic than I'm used to elsewhere.

I'm merely stating that I can take one for the team, because of the unnecessary attention I've brought onto myself from that speedy hammer.

[Creature]

Oh I already know who's scum.

[Creature]

Should I say who is it?

[cassielle]

I really do want to know how Cass winded up on the Fitz wagon after having Hap as such a confident scumread D1. Hap/Hawk interactions actually sealed it rather than be cause for doubt.

honestly, hap stopped posting and fitz kept posting and kept digging himself a nice little hole as he posted
combined with the nka, the support for the lynch, and the information a fitz flip provides in terms of narrowing down the gamestate, it was a really good lynch imo

hapa flip will make or break it (and im p certain hapa=scum after his post-lynch post, so fitz is probtown)

[cassielle]

Should I say who is it?

yes just in case youre nk imo

[Creature]

Hawk and hapahauli.

[Creature]

Actually I'm reasonably confidente momo is the last scum.

[outoforder]

OoO, Rels, BV, I like all of them for town.

Yeah rels is always town.