Scummies Ideas, Suggestions and Comments Thread

[Cerberus v666]

I believe everyone who is familiar with me should figure out what I'm the best at, and design an award for that specific thing, so I can be guaranteed to win going forward without having to do anything more amazing than I normally do.

^^

[Cerberus v666]

I believe everyone who is familiar with me should figure out what I'm the best at, and design an award for that specific thing, so I can be guaranteed to win going forward without having to do anything more amazing than I normally do.

^^

Naw UT, I just like being able to somewhat appease the people who demand I get an avatar without having to do anything.

[Cerberus v666]

OK, so I can already tell this prolly is a pretty controversial idea but what if we had a "Most Feared Hydra" award?

I'm fond of hydras, and I don't think this is something we need.

[Cerberus v666]

I sort of hate the existence of Kodak Moment as an award. It's super fluffy, and feels pretty meaningless. It's like a consolation award, at least when applied to moments that could have also been nominated for other awards. It's cool to be noticed, but aren't those memorable things about people the reason why titles are a big deal here?

For example, I would have preferred to be nominated for Hannibal Lecter and LOST(which is what would have happened because Elyse crushed it) then actually winning Kodak Moment. It just doesn't have nearly the same level of significance as any of the other awards.

(Yes, I know it's a bit ridiculous to be bringing this up as one of the people who currently has the banner for that award.)

Anyways, I sorta feel like Kodak Moment either shouldn't exist, or should be much more limited in scope to "funny" moments.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, I know. Again, my point is its simply not on the same scale of recognition as any other award.

[Cerberus v666]

Just as an example, every other award banner informs those who see it about the player in question(with the exception of the "name should be in orange" award. They think " oh man, I should check out that persons next game they mod", or "I shouldn't assume this person is going to play poorly", or something along those lines.

Kodak Moment? You think oh, maybe I'll go look at the nominees for last year and see what they did. It's different.

Pedit: that's a problem then. The award is, as I said, entirely too broad.

[Cerberus v666]

How is increasing the scope of an award a way to limit how subjective it is?

Why is subjectivity even a concern? There's a large degree of subjectivity to all of the awards.

[Cerberus v666]

Still think there should be a Best Town Performance award (just nominate who has actually influenced town).

Seriously, I'm seeing good town performances (mini 1869) being nominated for Kodak Moment.

Didn't we have a Best Performance in a Losing Cause award at one point? That's something I'd love to see make a return, several Town players in Camn's Revenge (mini 1869) would be worthy of a nomination.

To expand my point, it seems to be implied that a Best Scum/Town/Third Party nominee is defined as someone(s) who won in a particularly impressive fashion, which results in a de facto state that only winners are nominated. Well, what if both sides are performing at Scummy-worthy caliber? How about a Townie who is absolutely wrecking the scumteam, but gets nightkilled and loses because the rest of the Town drops the ball? How about the Don Corleone level scum player who gets killed by the Serial Killer or opposing scumteam for being too Town?

There are lots of situations where someone puts in a remarkable performance, but due to worthy opposition or circumstances outside their direct control, ends up losing anyway. I'd like to see those folks recognized.

Yes, I know, it overlaps with Best Town/Scum/TP, but this is a specific reward for someone who was already robbed of a deserved win, and is worthy of recognition.

Seconded. Impressive play is impressive regardless of how the game ends.

[Cerberus v666]

Still think there should be a Best Town Performance award (just nominate who has actually influenced town).

Seriously, I'm seeing good town performances (mini 1869) being nominated for Kodak Moment.

Didn't we have a Best Performance in a Losing Cause award at one point? That's something I'd love to see make a return, several Town players in Camn's Revenge (mini 1869) would be worthy of a nomination.

To expand my point, it seems to be implied that a Best Scum/Town/Third Party nominee is defined as someone(s) who won in a particularly impressive fashion, which results in a de facto state that only winners are nominated. Well, what if both sides are performing at Scummy-worthy caliber? How about a Townie who is absolutely wrecking the scumteam, but gets nightkilled and loses because the rest of the Town drops the ball? How about the Don Corleone level scum player who gets killed by the Serial Killer or opposing scumteam for being too Town?

There are lots of situations where someone puts in a remarkable performance, but due to worthy opposition or circumstances outside their direct control, ends up losing anyway. I'd like to see those folks recognized.

Yes, I know, it overlaps with Best Town/Scum/TP, but this is a specific reward for someone who was already robbed of a deserved win, and is worthy of recognition.

Seconded. Impressive play is impressive regardless of how the game ends.

At the same time, this is also sort if a "be the change you want to see" issue. People should nominate impressive players IN SPITE of the games ending in a loss. That could make this a moot point.

[Cerberus v666]

Losing Cause was phased out almost immediately because it was redundant.

How is it redundant, given that I don't believe I've ever seen(granted, my history isn't long and I don't pay much attention to the scummies) a losing performance win an award for impressive play?

[Cerberus v666]

Plenty of BoW winners have won from games where they lost despite impressive play. Same with third party.

Someone not winning is not the same thing as it being excluded.

It's not a prerequisite. Losers can win awards too. None of the awards require winning.

BoW isn't a valid argument, since by it's nature the awards are based on the players BODY OF WORK.

[Cerberus v666]

unless you do BOW for the person's cumulative scumplay to that point even beyond that year? might be a little too broad in scale, but might also do a better job of rewarding someone for good scumplay over the years vs a single year.

This is good.

It shouldn't be a BoW for the year award, it should be a lifetime achievement.

This does bring up difficulties, most notable in judging the nominees, since there's a lot more material to look at, and the fact that it would basically be the same set of nominees each year for awhile, with just then previous years winner being replaced by a new finalist, and so on.

[Cerberus v666]

:/ yeah, that's also a concern.It could be be a biennial award perhaps, to mitigate the issues with not having enough scum games to go off of, while still being based on current play?