Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

[Eddie Cane]

I just did it to fit in so to speak. I had just replaced in. There was this huge wagon everyone seemed to be on. So why not??

[DogWatch]

At first he's voting moz because he's "reviewed" arguments from other players, which is vague enough but whatever. Then later admits he's really just wagoning to fit in. I personally interpret that as dishonesty.

[Barleycorn]

ok ty

[mozamis]

momo is town . probably todays lynch bait target from scum.
not caught up yet, only read those 3 posts above me. But yeah, if you guys are talking about momo, no, he's "insecure" town.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Mozamis

Same as it ever was.

if you are town, for fs try and, you know, try...
if you are scum, then fair enough i guess. you never answered my question about who i was scum with?

[mozamis]

VOTE: Mozamis

After rereading I have been convinced.

damnit should have read this first!

[mozamis]

re-read again momo!

[mozamis]

oh fuck i officially withdraw p1003.
momo null while i get my shit together, sorry.
just surely to god hes not that bad as scum? *grabs a wine glass*

[mozamis]

@Selynee what are your reads?

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Mozamis

Lol at the last 6 posts

[gerryoat]

momo or moz can be lynched. prefer momo rn

[WhemeStar]

I think one is scum one is not, I prefer moza after those posts.

[Selynee]

@mozamis- they didn't really change from 956. Other than the face I know now Transcend was town. Why do you have/did you have Eddie as a scumread.

Momo, what convinced you after rereading to vote moz?

[Keyser Söze]

fos selynee for dodging me asking for a frank stance

That is a good point

:

Selynee offered her end-of-day scum reads on D1:

Have no idea yet. Just some ideas

Gerryoat- to be fair, I don't have any reason to think he is town. The most important interaction was his vote on momo, and if I've understood the situation correctly, his vote was related to a thing from epic mafia. Didn't really understood it, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have much relevance in this game.
Transcend- involved in this game, won't pretend to understand his logic and his quickly changed reads (especially regarding gerryoat). Maybe you can understand him better.
Momo- technically did what could be considered the most...dishonest thing in the game, but I've already explained by reasons for leaning town on him.
Mozamis gave me some pause with the very early reads, especially since on her town block were the most active players but then again he seems like a player who changes his reads a lot regardless of alignment. Would still be interested though in why he put Eddie as a scum read (it is actual curiosity here)
SS- not much to go on. If he isn't town, my theory is wrong and Dogwatch is probably town.
WhemeStar- I will see.

If Selynee didn't have Frank on her scum reads list, was she t/reading him then?

No, I never did. Already said why. Transcend hammered, so I didn't include him in my list.

@Selynee -

did you have a strong suspicion the Frank lynch was a miss-lynch on D1?

I.e Did you think Frank was town?

[FireScreamer]

VOTE: Mozamis

Same as it ever was.

if you are town, for fs try and, you know, try...
if you are scum, then fair enough i guess. you never answered my question about who i was scum with?

My read on you is based on a mistake that scum would make MUCH more often than town. My read on you is totally independent on you. Asking who I think your teammates are

1. Weakens my argument on you by dilluting it.
2. Alienates people from joining your wagon if I FoS them incorrectly, letting you put people in your pocket for free.
3. Reads to me as "Tehe, theres no way he will be able to answer this because I havn't build obvious associations yet because it is day freaking one".

This question is classic deflection. I'll worry about who your team mates are once you swing. Can only hang one at a time.

[FireScreamer]

All aboard the good ship Moza.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Mozamis

After rereading I have been

convinced

.

I want to see "convinced".

Looking at your ISO there are many dramatic short/sharp swings in your play.

I want to see the thinking behind each jump.

[Selynee]

No, I didn't. Would have said so if I had reasons to townread him, but my point that he didn't explained his reads stayed. I did have in mind his 540, but couldn't decide if he was confident because he was town, or decided to play confident after being called out for a vote without explanation that pit someone close to being lynched.

Don't really think I've dodged the question though. Repeating the same ideas twice don't really make them any more insightful.

[Keyser Söze]

Ah ok - you were null on him then (that is fair).
But you did share nullish reads in your suspicion list though.

"Transcend hammered, so I didn't include him in my list."

<< It is suspicious, but I'm going to have to accept this as your reason.

[Keyser Söze]

VCA for later:

At least ONE scum on this wagon (I'd expect 3 scum in a 13 player normal, so I doubt all three would power this miss-lynch through):

FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, momo, Keyser Soze, mozamis, Barleycorn,

Transcend

, WhemeStar (LYNCHED)

At least ONE scum NOT voting/on rival wagon:

Shadow_step, Selynee, Firescreamer, DogWatch, gerryoat

However, Frank's ISO/interactions weren't very visceral/meaty so I don't think scum had much towncred to gain for pushing against the miss-lynch. I can't see how anyone could have been hard t/reading/defending him (that in itself would have been suspicious), two of my strongest vocal t/reads supported it (Eddie Cane, Barleycorn) - thus, this was a miss-lynch there for the taking.

[Keyser Söze]

@mozamis
Please can you post some links to your completed games where you were scum.

[FireScreamer]

VCA for later:

At least ONE scum on this wagon (I'd expect 3 scum in a 13 player normal, so I doubt all three would power this miss-lynch through):

FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, momo, Keyser Soze, mozamis, Barleycorn,

Transcend

, WhemeStar (LYNCHED)

At least ONE scum NOT voting/on rival wagon:

Shadow_step, Selynee, Firescreamer, DogWatch, gerryoat

However, Frank's ISO/interactions weren't very visceral/meaty so I don't think scum had much towncred to gain for pushing against the miss-lynch. I can't see how anyone could have been hard t/reading/defending him (that in itself would have been suspicious), two of my strongest vocal t/reads supported it (Eddie Cane, Barleycorn) - thus, this was a miss-lynch there for the taking.

Well considering your non town reads on the wagon are Momo, Moza and WhemeStar and you are implying you think my actions are genuine, have you heard about our lord and saviour Moza wagon?

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

unrelated to the above:

@mod VLA until the 25th [/vote]

[Eddie Cane]

VLA until the 25th

*

[FireScreamer]

You can't 2 game days off eddie. You are going to have to be replaced.